Archer's defense

[redsky272 731]

Hi, 

 

i would like to know is it normal or not when  Archer and Ata have this defense ability !? As you can see in this video, a lot of evade, block that block the hits. 

 

and this evade come from: 

1. Evasion Mastery : 23

2. Phoenix Speed: 23 

 

Without any kind of buff the Archer itself have 2 round of evade can have 23% chance to evade the hit. with buff: 

- Draxos boots: 15

- Ata buff: 12

- Evasion scoll: 5.

- Draxos relics : 4

- Pvp champion (dont count) 

Archer is too tanky.

 

i don't count about the block. 

 

And as i know, evade can not against, for example: you can increase atk rating to go through Opponent's Defense, or Penetration to decrease the block, but only Draxos relics have 5% of precision to reduce the evade effect. (very little: 5% of 23 = 1.15% evade reduce) 

 

 

Please take a look at the issue that happened for age. 

 

Thank you

 

Ps: Thanks to Kenibok remind me, i did a small table for a clear view: 

at 0.05-->  0:19-0:44

 

	Fighter		Archer
	Land		Evade	Block	Defense	Received Damage
	3		3
	4		2	1		1
	2			1		1
	2		2
	2		2
	2		2
	3		1		1	1
	3			1		2
	2			1		1
	2		1			1
	1		1
	2		2
	2		2
Total	30		18	4	1	7
%			60%	13%	3%	23%

 

Received hit = 7

Evade = 18

 

Ps: You need to change to landscape view(mobile) or computer to see full table

Edited February 28, 2022 by redsky272

[covidkilla 414]

8 minutes ago, redsky272 said:

Hi, 

 

i would like to know is it normal or not when giving Archer and Ata have this denfense ability !? As you can see in this video, a lot of evade, block that block the hits. 

 

and this evade come from: 

1. Evasion Mastery : 23

2. Phoenix Speed: 23 

 

Without any kind of buff the Archer itself have 2 round of evade can have 23% chance to evade the hit. with buff: 

- Draxos boots: 15

- Ata buff: 12

- Evasion scoll: 5. Archer is too tanky.

 

i don't count about the block. 

 

And as i know, evade can not against, for example: you can increase atk rating to go through Opponent's Defense, or Penetration to decrease the block, but only Draxos relics have 5% of precision to reduce the evade effect. (very little: 5% of 23 = 1.15% evade reduce) 

 

 

Please take a look at the issue that happened for age. 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for bringing video proof for this problem, maybe now people can visually see the problem and help them think hmmm should this really be normal for archers to have this capability.

 

 

I'm so thankful there are players like you who take the time to actually make this content to show staff ^^ a lot of players don't take the time to do this, we appreciate you bro  

 

 

 

@Overlady @Senpai @Wartale

Edited February 26, 2022 by covidkilla
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[ainih 34]

And where are the videos against other classes?

I just wanna see how other classes do against your char. And also put the lvl info, items info. Lvl difference. 

Etc

[redsky272 731]

6 hours ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

Thank you for bringing video proof for this problem, maybe now people can visually see the problem and help them think hmmm should this really be normal for archers to have this capability.

 

 

I'm so thankful there are players like you who take the time to actually make this content to show staff ^^ a lot of players don't take the time to do this, we appreciate you bro  

 

 

 

@Overlady @Senpai @Wartale

Not at all bro.

 

3 hours ago, ainih said:

And where are the videos against other classes?

I just wanna see how other classes do against your char. And also put the lvl info, items info. Lvl difference. 

Etc

 

Hi, this topic is about Archer (Ata) defense side, from fighter’s view. So i don’t make a record of fighter against other class.

You can subcribe my channel, if i make it you can see ? (jK)

 

about lvl: 

fighter : 164. - Full items 
as: 161 - no idea but maybe full.

ata: 160 - no info

 

but im not sure if lvl and items relate to the evade and block showed up. 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by redsky272

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

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Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[xkintaro 2,148]

Archer/Ats are very tanky, need more proof than that?

 

Evade needs a remake!

[RoZilla 123]

It is absolutely ridiculous how these classes can "tank" so much. It makes zero sense

[covidkilla 414]

42 minutes ago, RoZilla said:

It is absolutely ridiculous how these classes can "tank" so much. It makes zero sense

 

+1 

 

In theory archers shouldn't be more tanker then a pikeman

 

 

I think its really important that the next patch we see the severe nerf of archers ability to tank, she cannot be more tank then melee players.

 

 

You know how pikeman have bad defense, but can still go in for a kill and run away , the pikes defense should be what archers get. archer should have enough defense to last a hit or 2 give her some time  try to make a kill from range distance then run same as the pike build.

 

I see archers pvp close combat with all classes  , this has to end ... archers need to start running more instead of staying in 1 spot tanking and killing in 1vs1. 

 

 

The day i see a pikeman being able to tank more than a archer is the day ill say ok finally, things have changed 

 

 

 

 

I am very worried that this upcoming patch not enough will be done to the archers, considering what had happened during the most recent pvp balance with reverts to archer.

 

 

I really hope staff realize that we are talking about archers, i hope they realize the true role of what an archer should be and how an archer should NEVER be able to tank better then other melee classes including a pikeman . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by covidkilla
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[drakethebest 128]

@Overlady

 

With the most recent revert of archers evade  i am very concerned. The next upcoming patch you guys have been talking about  I'm  VERY concerned that again enough wont be done to really make rangers what they are suppose to be. I think players are so tired of archers , its been a constant argument in the forums forever. 

 

I think most players know generally in any games , archers would never have the ability that staff gives them in wartale , its not common to find an archer doing what she does compared to all other classes ranger/melee

 

I guess what we want to know is a clear answer of what you including staff determine an archer to be in this game, do you see archers as a ranger or do you see them as a close combat melee player that can tank better then other melee classes ( example pikeman ) 

 

 

Just like when a mage chooses his class, he knows for pvp hes going to kind of suck. Archers should know when they choose their class that their defense is gonna suck and they are going to have to run alot to try to make kills and close combat with melee players will be almost impossible for them. 

 

 

Archers today after balance : 

 

Still amongst the top classes for pvp, still able to tank better then many melee classes 

 

Archers are not classified as a ranger in this game anymore. 

 

You guys disconnect what an archer should be and turned her into something she should not be THIS has been a huge problem for months and still nothing has changed, the pikeman jc was nerfed so fast where do the priorities lie with , archers should be way more prioritized this situation has been dire for months.

 

 

 

We really just want an answer on how wartale staff defines an archer and what their roll is in this game because overtime it has been warped and we are all confused

still with what archers do today. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by drakethebest
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[kenibok 1,097]

12 hours ago, redsky272 said:

Hi, 

 

i would like to know is it normal or not when  Archer and Ata have this defense ability !? As you can see in this video, a lot of evade, block that block the hits. 

 

and this evade come from: 

1. Evasion Mastery : 23

2. Phoenix Speed: 23 

 

Without any kind of buff the Archer itself have 2 round of evade can have 23% chance to evade the hit. with buff: 

- Draxos boots: 15

- Ata buff: 12

- Evasion scoll: 5.

- Draxos relics : 4

- Pvp champion (dont count) 

Archer is too tanky.

 

i don't count about the block. 

 

And as i know, evade can not against, for example: you can increase atk rating to go through Opponent's Defense, or Penetration to decrease the block, but only Draxos relics have 5% of precision to reduce the evade effect. (very little: 5% of 23 = 1.15% evade reduce) 

 

 

Please take a look at the issue that happened for age. 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

I think... this is not a good post for you bro ?

 

1. You're iced + holy mind most of the time

2.This as received more hits than it evaded

3. You're being attacked by 4-3 people and surviving, minute 00:18+

4. You're being attacked by 4-3 people and surviving, while attacking

5. That player has many (or full) 144 set, also relics (tulle, greedy+), while also having prs support, I really don't understand how you think there's anything wrong, not instantly dy1ng?

6. Since you discovered Divine cleansing yesterday, you should be able to notice its effects now

7. Fast-judging, you got more hits into the archer than the archer to you, also your hits were higher, while getting damage and debuff from 3-2 players

8. Last player is an atalanta, not an archer

9. You killed both players, last one in 1 hit.

 

Are you complaining about fighter? because the only clear tanker here is fighter. Its kinda weird to see you hitting 1.6-1.9k at lvl 154 while also tanking 4-3 players?

 

12 hours ago, redsky272 said:

- Draxos boots: 15

- Ata buff: 12

- Evasion scoll: 5.

- Draxos relics : 4

- Pvp champion (dont count) 

 

Evasion is non-additive, mentioning this 4 things (draxos, buffs, evade scrolls, relics) is just ignorant, archer doesn't get "tankier" than you or anyone gets by these things, extra evasion works the exact same way for every class. I know you're new to the game, but its not your first post, so its time for you to start understanding how the game works.

[wolf0119 267]

12 hours ago, redsky272 said:

Hola, 

 

Me gustaría saber si es normal o no cuando Archer y Ata tienen esta habilidad de defensa. Como puedes ver en este video, mucho evadir, bloquear que bloquear los golpes. 

 

y esta evasión viene de: 

1. Dominio de la evasión : 23

2. Velocidad del Fénix: 23 

 

Sin ningún tipo de beneficio, el arquero en sí tiene 2 rondas de evasión y puede tener un 23% de probabilidad de evadir el golpe. con beneficio: 

- Botas Draxos: 15

- Mejora de Ata: 12

- Escola de evasión: 5.

- Reliquias de Draxos : 4

- Campeón Pvp (no cuentan) 

Archer es demasiado tanque.

 

No cuento con el bloque. 

 

Y como sé, evadir no puede contra, por ejemplo: puedes aumentar el índice de atk para pasar por la defensa del oponente o la penetración para disminuir el bloqueo, pero solo las reliquias de Draxos tienen un 5% de precisión para reducir el efecto de evasión. (muy poco: 5% de 23 = 1,15% evaden reducir) 

 

 

Por favor, eche un vistazo al problema que sucedió con la edad. 

 

Gracias

 

 

 

+1

[kenibok 1,097]

 

On 2/26/2022 at 3:12 PM, drakethebest said:

a close combat melee player that can tank better then other melee classes ( example pikeman ) 

 

Where do you get your data from? this is just false xd, pikeman with 21% evasion has much more probability of avoiding hits than archer, not even counting defense or dodge or hp formula

 

I leave you a clip of real tankers, sometimes they don't even need buffs! Enjoy the bonus and the one sided love story

Spoiler: I broke up ?

 

Edited March 7, 2022 by kenibok

[HollyShot 1,029]

I don't see anything unusual in this video, i guess u think you should touch an archer and she insta die? and how many times you killed an archer and didnt record?

what i saw in this video is your FS tanking 2 16x and not d-ying. Nerf fs.

and btw, with the nerf in dmg all classes (except pikes) are having trouble to kill. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by HollyShot

[drakethebest 128]

2 minutes ago, kenibok said:

 

 

Where do you get your data from? this is just false xd, pikeman with 21% evasion has much more probability of avoiding hits than archer, not even counting defense or dodge or hp formula

Take (1) minute to check PvP ranking and see archers have between the lowest k/d ratios (die more than most classes) and the field is not even balanced because top 5 archers have relics and full set while many pike/ks players on the same spot don't even have draxos

 

I leave you a clip of real tankers, sometimes they don't even need buffs! Enjoy the bonus

 

 

 

instead of focusing on the errors in the words he uses, Focus on the video. Clearly it shows the archer able to tank close combat for a good period of time In no game should an archer

have this much comfort in a 1vs1 battle close combat with archer vs melee. 

 

 

come ill log a pike lets x1 no running and lets see who wins. to try to justify that pikes are more tank then archers in bc full buffs no one believes you. pikes cant even handle 1vs1 for too long. I agree with some of your points i really do, but dont tell me that a pikeman can tank better then a archer because your going to get alot of negative feedback 

 

[covidkilla 414]

4 minutes ago, kenibok said:

 

 

Where do you get your data from? this is just false xd, pikeman with 21% evasion has much more probability of avoiding hits than archer, not even counting defense or dodge or hp formula

Take (1) minute to check PvP ranking and see archers have between the lowest k/d ratios (die more than most classes) and the field is not even balanced because top 5 archers have relics and full set while many pike/ks players on the same spot don't even have draxos

 

I leave you a clip of real tankers, sometimes they don't even need buffs! Enjoy the bonus and the one sided love story

Spoiler: I broke up ?

 

 

 

 

This brawler had full hp 3500 hp xD , all points were put into hp . i knew you were recording... you are the type of player to have the energy to do this.

 

 

You really think a brawler can survive all this damage, 

[kenibok 1,097]

Just now, covidkilla said:

 

 

 

This brawler had full hp 3500 hp xD , all points were put into hp . i knew you were recording... you are the type of player to have the energy to do this.

 

 

You really think a brawler can survive all this damage, 

 

Once again, you don't understand and you give the best evidence ever

 

it doesn't matter if you had 5k hp, you are receiving 400-700 as critical damage, while with assassin's eye it barely reaches 900, but of course "archer"

 

Anyways man, enough of you, I really mean minute 3:53, with you good, block me or something

[covidkilla 414]

Just now, kenibok said:

 

Once again, you don't understand and you give the best evidence ever

 

it doesn't matter if you had 5k hp, you are receiving 400-700 as critical damage, while with assassin's eye it barely reaches 900, but of course "archer"

 

 

I dont get the efforts of this video,

 

Were you trying to make brawlers look op ?

 

 

You tried to justify that the archers tanking ability is okay because you recorded a brawler that took all his stat points and put it to health giving him 3500 hp and zero damage, same as a priest putting all her stat points to health giving her the same amount of health.

 

 

Maybe next time take a regular video of me when im not tanker mode and see how long i survive vs all those players, its just a really bad argument your trying to make here. you know i went full stat health... i dont know why youd waste your time showing this... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DarkLink64 921]

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Edited November 11, 2022 by DarkLink64

[covidkilla 414]

10 minutes ago, kenibok said:

 

Once again, you don't understand and you give the best evidence ever

 

it doesn't matter if you had 5k hp, you are receiving 400-700 as critical damage, while with assassin's eye it barely reaches 900, but of course "archer"

 

Anyways man, enough of you, I really mean minute 3:53, with you good, block me or something

 

stop trying to compare rangers to melee classes, 

 

 

you keep saying because im a melee class who have amazing defense , that somehow means archers should be able to have good or somewhere close to as good defense as me

 

 

WAKE UP  : your a ranger your a archer, you should not be able to defend better then other classes in 1vs1 

 

 

34 minutes ago, drakethebest said:

@Overlady

 

With the most recent revert of archers evade  i am very concerned. The next upcoming patch you guys have been talking about  I'm  VERY concerned that again enough wont be done to really make rangers what they are suppose to be. I think players are so tired of archers , its been a constant argument in the forums forever. 

 

I think most players know generally in any games , archers would never have the ability that staff gives them in wartale , its not common to find an archer doing what she does compared to all other classes ranger/melee

 

I guess what we want to know is a clear answer of what you including staff determine an archer to be in this game, do you see archers as a ranger or do you see them as a close combat melee player that can tank better then other melee classes ( example pikeman ) 

 

 

Just like when a mage chooses his class, he knows for pvp hes going to kind of suck. Archers should know when they choose their class that their defense is gonna suck and they are going to have to run alot to try to make kills and close combat with melee players will be almost impossible for them. 

 

 

Archers today after balance : 

 

Still amongst the top classes for pvp, still able to tank better then many melee classes 

 

Archers are not classified as a ranger in this game anymore. 

 

You guys disconnect what an archer should be and turned her into something she should not be THIS has been a huge problem for months and still nothing has changed, the pikeman jc was nerfed so fast where do the priorities lie with , archers should be way more prioritized this situation has been dire for months.

 

 

 

We really just want an answer on how wartale staff defines an archer and what their roll is in this game because overtime it has been warped and we are all confused

still with what archers do today. 

 

 

+1

 

we want a clear answer of what staff determine archers to be in the pvp system of wartale. 

 

We need a solid clear answer on what archers are , are they rangers or close combat 1vs1 players who tank better then other melee classes. I think once players know 

what staff define archers to be then there will be less whining because its just part of the game.

 

 

Please answer this ?

42 minutes ago, kenibok said:

 

 

Where do you get your data from? this is just false xd, pikeman with 21% evasion has much more probability of avoiding hits than archer, not even counting defense or dodge or hp formula

 

I leave you a clip of real tankers, sometimes they don't even need buffs! Enjoy the bonus and the one sided love story

Spoiler: I broke up ?

 

 

 

 

Listen, 

 

 

I personally don't mind you much,  

 

 

To make a video showing brawlers are great tankers when they go full health build + their damage reduction is fine I don't mind this. But to create a video with insults, jokes making fun of a player and then to publicly post it on forum its going to far don't you think?

 

 

If you don't want me to say hello to you through private message then there's a function in the game where you can block me , its so simple. 

 

 

Making jokes about a player insulting them in a video, and then posting it on forum is to far. 

 

 

 

I forgive you for your moment of weakness. But in the future don't do it … its not worth it ^^

 

 

 

 

[kenibok 1,097]

33 minutes ago, covidkilla said:

 

stop trying to compare rangers to melee classes, 

 

 

you keep saying because im a melee class who have amazing defense , that somehow means archers should be able to have good or somewhere close to as good defense as me

 

 

WAKE UP  : your a ranger your a archer, you should not be able to defend better then other classes in 1vs1 

 

 

 

 

+1

 

we want a clear answer of what staff determine archers to be in the pvp system of wartale. 

 

We need a solid clear answer on what archers are , are they rangers or close combat 1vs1 players who tank better then other melee classes. I think once players know 

what staff define archers to be then there will be less whining because its just part of the game.

 

 

Please answer this ?

 

Double quote ?

XDDDD zsjakjdasdakdka dude 1+1 = 2, 2+2=4 you still don't understand anything or are extremely convincing on play1ng dumb

 

I don't need to compare bs/as because the 1st video provided is clear enough and only proves FS can tank 3+ while attacking and frozen, while a 16x full relic archer vs a holy mind debuffed class still gets most of the hits and with high damage received

 

 

You're obsessed^TM over archer's but even after making infinite posts about this you can't get 1 single argument without fake information, straight lies, and idiotic comparisons, I'm actually sorry to talk this way but just pls stop embarrassing yourself

[covidkilla 414]

12 minutes ago, kenibok said:

 

Double quote ?

XDDDD zsjakjdasdakdka dude 1+1 = 2, 2+2=4 you still don't understand anything or are extremely convincing on play1ng dumb

 

I don't need to compare bs/as because the 1st video provided is clear enough and only proves FS can tank 3+ while attacking and frozen, while a 16x full relic archer vs a holy mind debuffed class still gets most of the hits and with high damage received

 

 

You're obsessed^TM over archer's but even after making infinite posts about this you can't get 1 single argument without fake information, straight lies, and idiotic comparisons, I'm actually sorry to talk this way but just pls stop embarrassing yourself

 

 

You should focus more on

 

comparing :

 

archer/atlanta these classes are rangers.

 

 

you should never compare ranger classes to melee classes, archers are suppose to be decent at pvp but have been given special abilities to dominate the pvp server. 

 

You think everyone who talks negatively about archers either don't know what they are talking about or are confused. Your opinions are so biased because you have been an archer forever, living in the comfort of what staff created archers to be today. 

 

 

Your days are numbered , because i believe eventually staff will get things right and bring back archers to what they are suppose to be. Melee classes should always dominate the servers, rangers should be secondary to that and other support classes like priests should follow suit afterwards. 

 

 

We are slowly seeing a revert back in the right direction i hope staff continue this 

 

 

Take care,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[redsky272 731]

1 hour ago, kenibok said:

 

I think... this is not a good post for you bro ?

 

1. You're iced + holy mind most of the time

2.This as received more hits than it evaded - thank you for you remind: at 0.05: 1 destroyer - he evaded all the hit (3 out of 3), at 0:19: 2 evade-1 block/3 hits, 1 block, 2 evadel, 2 evade, 2 evade/8 hits, 1 block,2 received dmg/3 hits, 1blk,1 received dmg/2 hits, 1 evade, 1 blk, 2 evade/5 hits

3. You're being attacked by 4-3 people and surviving, minute 00:18+

4. You're being attacked by 4-3 people and surviving, while attacking

5. That player has many (or full) 144 set, also relics (tulle, greedy+), while also having prs support, I really don't understand how you think there's anything wrong, not instantly dy1ng?

6. Since you discovered Divine cleansing yesterday, you should be able to notice its effects now

7. Fast-judging, you got more hits into the archer than the archer to you, also your hits were higher, while getting damage and debuff from 3-2 players

8. Last player is an atalanta, not an archer

9. You killed both players, last one in 1 hit.

 

Are you complaining about fighter? because the only clear tanker here is fighter. Its kinda weird to see you hitting 1.6-1.9k at lvl 154 while also tanking 4-3 players?

 

 

Evasion is non-additive, mentioning this 4 things (draxos, buffs, evade scrolls, relics) is just ignorant, archer doesn't get "tankier" than you or anyone gets by these things, extra evasion works the exact same way for every class. I know you're new to the game, but its not your first post, so its time for you to start understanding how the game works.

 

2.This as received more hits than it evaded - Thank you, let the numbers tell you the truth. i spent 5 mins to count for you (you are welcome) 

at 0.05-->  0:19-0:44

 

	Fighter		Archer
	Land		Evade	Block	Defense	Received Damage
	3		3
	4		2	1		1
	2			1		1
	2		2
	2		2
	2		2
	3		1		1	1
	3			1		2
	2			1		1
	2		1			1
	1		1
	2		2
	2		2
Total	30		18	4	1	7
%			60%	13%	3%	23%

 

Received hit = 7

Evade = 18

 

So is it normal to received only 23% of the hits !? such a brilliant boxer which can evade block defense 77%(13.33+3.33+60) of the hits. 

 

And the last one is obviously Atalanta.  

 

---------

moreover, because this topic is all about Archer evade, so please stick on it, no need to talk about my survival, received a lot of hit and can stand... nerf Fs,bs,ks... maybe you can create another topic for that. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by redsky272

[kaitonkiz1995 22]

stop nerfing AS. The Archer class is fine now

[HollyShot 1,029]

13 minutes ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

You should focus more on

 

comparing :

 

archer/atlanta these classes are rangers.

 

 

you should never compare ranger classes to melee classes, archers are suppose to be decent at pvp but have been given special abilities to dominate the pvp server. 

 

You think everyone who talks negatively about archers either don't know what they are talking about or are confused. Your opinions are so biased because you have been an archer forever, living in the comfort of what staff created archers to be today. 

 

 

Your days are numbered , because i believe eventually staff will get things right and bring back archers to what they are suppose to be. Melee classes should always dominate the servers, rangers should be secondary to that and other support classes like priests should follow suit afterwards. 

 

 

We are slowly seeing a revert back in the right direction i hope staff continue this 

 

 

Take care,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"as should be secondary and suport class"

yeah you finally admit it, that's the mindset of who is asking more nerf in a class that is already bad, you don't want a class balance, you want rangers to be less, worst, and no chance to kill anyone solo. That is how priston was 15 years ago when only pikes and fs could enjoy pvp, but not anymore. And i don't think thats what staff wants, cuz simple rangers players would q~uit game and pvp of wartale would be pathetic. 

[covidkilla 414]

14 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

"as should be secondary and suport class"

yeah you finally admit it, that's the mindset of who is asking more nerf in a class that is already bad, you don't want a class balance, you want rangers to be less, worst, and no chance to kill anyone solo. That is how priston was 15 years ago when only pikes and fs could enjoy pvp, but not anymore. And i don't think thats what staff wants, cuz simple rangers players would q~uit game and pvp of wartale would be pathetic. 

 

 

Not you replying too omg its like the government of archer land is on my ass xD 

 

 

@DeadlyWarrior  i dont know how you deal with the archer defenders , takes a lot of energy

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