Mining Stealing

[japakk 120]

This is just ridiculous.

 

 

A whole day trying to get ONE efrium, and someone steals it. ******* ***** ** ****

Edited May 23, 2023 by japakk

[disable1000 511]

53 minutes ago, japakk said:

This is just ridiculous.

 

 

A whole day trying to get ONE efrium, and someone steals it. ******* ***** ** ****

What's your mining level? If your not atleast level 7 , high chance you still lost it due to fail mining

[japakk 120]

Just now, disable1000 said:

What's your mining level? If your not atleast level 7 , high chance you still lost it due to fail mining

3/3. I think it's fair If i lose it, but I should have at least the chance to try.. 

[Choco 14]

I think all Assassins in this game have nothing to do except for the mining stealings . 

Now you have no way except you have to upgrade to mining level to 10.

[???????? 53]

VN has a few tiktok names, tiktok@, -tiktok-, tiktokxxx, tiktokyyy, looks to me different person, most high level miners, many Lv10. Last year I saw them too, they were lower levels like Lv5+. They are in the same groups, they share the same news, they told each other mining is profitable, so 1 by 1 they went to up miner. 
At least what looks like to me, not all just 1 person, even though same name. Same to 1stsua, suatua, suaon, suaxx, suayy, looks like 2~3 person to me. I;m not GM, don't have the means to judge.

 

SamAss, full-time miners, I spy on him few times to watch how he do mining. During that jelly update, miners set jelly 4kk price, he rotate 3 servers Forest of Spirit. After rotation, he afk (saw him stay there when empty) until respawn, his timing is good, so every other mines go to Forest of Spirit probably mine 0 or 1, 2. Until everybody just stop going Forest of Spirit or just run straight through it to next map. 
He did many ways of mine, that's just one that when he got spied by me. 

 

The other names you posted I don't have memories. Looks like casual miners.

 

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tons of mules camping the whole map

Just came here to reply this actually. 
I can log 6 chars do 6 spawn moonhunter, all 6 chars use Boss crystals, take all 3 servers best spot Battlefield, and all 3 servers best stop Oasis. I can do that. 
But I cannot do that on mining. 

 

Low level miner, yes, I advice you create 2, or 3 miners to mine. Shards (Aqua, Topaz etc), higher level ores (Dragonslate, Mithril, etc), takes minutes to mine, what you gonna do, stare at screen? So if spawn ruby all for 1 hour, you only mine 5 minutes, another 55 minutes you stare at screen to watch??? Most boring. I was playing my phone Daily (gacha games), while low level mining. 

High level mining, no, because unlike Moonhunter every kill is the same drop, Mining don't. Go make 10 chars camp all, you will get 0 efriums at the end of the day after 10 hours farm. Just all fail. 

 

At Lv7 pickaxe, shards/efrium/high-ores take 10~30 seconds+ (depends if you fail on 1st try, 2nd try or finish on 3rd try), so 10~30 seconds you can have 1 extra mule miner to switch-over and check around the screens to see spawns. You can go over to spawn or wait Main Miner finish to switch server and union core over. 
If your Mule Miner see iron ore, just run and mine. If your Mule Miner see Ruby, you don't go over to mine, you are throwing that ruby away, you union core Main Miner over to mine. (really depends, if Ruby is cheap to you, you probably don't care and just use Mule Miner to mine).

 

At Lv10 pickaxe, everything takes less than 10 seconds, and you don't even fail, so you will never reach 30 seconds to mine like Lv7 pickaxe. You will NEVER camp 10 Mules. Even if you camp 10 mules, you DON'T use them to mine, only teleport.

Lv1 you take 2 minutes to mine something like Ruby, Lv10 you take 2 minutes to clear one Whole Map. In 15 minutes time, I can clear 1 FREAKing whole server, from Garden to Phillia, then Ruinen to Battlefield (including Oasis). 50 mins+ I can switch 3 servers clear everything. (ignore my values, probably there, but not 100% accurate)
So what for I gonna log 10 mules and camp, this is not Moonhunter. Log 10 mules for 10 hours everyday, and at the end of the days, I check 10 mules, all Iron Ores and Elfthorns? Nobody full-time miners just for Iron Ore/Elfthorn. That's the difference between 10 mule Moonhunter and 10 mule Miner.

The reason why you see people 10 mules camp Moonhunter Spots during Xmas Event or HLW event, but no one do that 10 mules camp Mining. Literally NO ONE.

So this is important: STOP SAY YOU CAN 10 MULES MINING. OMG. I CAME HERE TO REPLY FOR THIS.

Moonhunter sure I can pick all premiums/Boss crystals full every mules because no Fail, drops all same. Mining you gonna fail 10 mules for 10 hours. 

Moonhunter each mule full inventory = 20 ~ 50kk+ (depends how much you sell, some people sell 1kk, some sell 2kk)
Then yeah sure more mules are better. 
But Mining? 10 mules 10 hours you go see your inventory.

Or 10 x 10/10 Mining Mules? all 10 mules 10/10.. High investment, 0.000001% return. And still 10 hours invest everyday. WTF. (just wana exaggerate)

 

There are lots of donators in this game, you watched others farm, you thought it's easy, but go try, and you will see all the easy farms are nerf-ed since 2016, until 2022 that GBs finally make a U-turn, and go up in values. When GB was 750c/1 10 years ago. 
Sometimes not just donators, even GMs have no idea, they just nerf, but I don't think they even tried ONCE to go farm 10 hours everyday for a bloody WHOLE month to see. Sure there are people with macros, but Mining cannot be macro-ed, because you need to run to random spots, some parts have mobs to block you, some small rocks, cliffs need to climb. (you suspect people macro mining, inbox me, I go see, I wana learn)

 

Spoiler

I'm not full-time, this my main 9/9.

 

this my mule miner 5/5.

 

another mule miner 5/4, still selling.

 

another mule miner 2/2.

 

maybe still other few, but I don't know which mule, got too many mules.

I got the habit to log many mules to go around doing stuff, sometimes mining.

I am not full-time miners. I just do different stuff everyday, because sticking to one is boring. So sometimes I mine, sometimes I go Boss, sometimes I go hunt maps, sometimes I go level up mules.
What I did when I was low level miner, I do mules mining, camping maps, because 3 minutes to mine a shard is a waste of time, so I open a lots mules.

But at Lv7/7 tools, and now my Main already Lv9/9, I don't even do mule camp. Sure I still do, but I only camp mules to check if that map respawns, so my Main can go over to clear, because nowadays all maps are empty too fast everyone is 10/10. And if there is a high-level spawn like Efrium, I will just union core my main over to mule miner and rush over.

The reason is, everything is so fast on my Main, I don't even have the extra time to switch windows to control Mule Mining. And I'm still Lv7/7 tools. 
I can clear a whole map in few minutes, like 2~3 minutes, you need to watch your Main for spawns, unlike Hunt Maps I only need to click mobs.

So sure in EB, I can take several spawns, it's stationary, no need run, no need to arrow-key or mouse-cursor screen-edge to change screen view to see north-south-east-west to check Mining Spawns. 
Tell me how you do that if you have alot miners? You can only do on 1, it's fast, need to run, need to change screen view constantly. 
Sure if you have alot Lv170 chars, you can do all of them in EB, because you don't need run, you don't need change screen view. Mob spawns are fixed, Mining spawns are not. 

 

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with level 0 pick axe

Only this true. All my mule miner are all Lv0 tools. 

 

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We don't need someone stealing our kills or HS to have motivation to upgrade our gears

In mmorpg, pvp, ks, etc are toxic, but that's why people donate, because toxic is motivation to upgrade their chars, or buy Lv17x accounts.
But in mmorpg, we also have many non-toxics who play like Solo-rpg, these types of players actually q-u-i-t if game is toxic.
So there is a balance here to make sure all players, toxic or non-toxic can play and enjoy.

 

Some of the GMs need to play full-time in a toxic way, otherwise you are waiting veterans like me who like to explore, invent or just copy methods/playstyle from toxics, to be kind to waste my time to read and reply. 

Once you try it, you understand some of the methods are better-off playing on 1 char than focus on 10 chars. But it really depends. 

 

You are also wasting time for newbies' complain post to pop-up. Many newbies already q-u-i-t-ed. Better off go play toxic 10 hours mining with Lv1 miner and you will understand the frustration and hate. 

This post came up how many times? Do you see all those newbies? I think half of them q-u-i-t already. I'm not GMs, I don't care. 

2 years ago is still fine, when lots were still levelling up, now whole maps Lv10/10, how do Lv1 plays. In other MMO, you have very big maps, or many many maps to do gathering/mining.

Any MMO, let's say Black Desert, you can chop woods peacefully, you can peel skins peacefully, you can mine ores peacefully. Here Wartale? Lots content need to improve/balance/re-work, not just release and put there to rot.

Anyway I just want to reply because I got the feeling you know. I'm fine with KS, because with more newbies going around the maps, 10/10 full-time Miners suffer too, they go around clear 1 map in 2 minutes, now they go around 1 empty map STILL in 2 minutes running around finding nothing.

So both newbies and full-time miners suffer. (and that's why to you all newbie miners, remember your enemy also suffer together with you.. xD)

Sometimes when lots of newbies mining, I go around every spot seeing Shard/Efrium being mined by Lv1 pickaxe in a very slow motion (because Lv1 tool), I just sigh. I want to wish you good luck, but I also hate you for going to fail. Usually I just leave you alone. Unless I can tell you have 16x17x chars, so I know you not newbies.

And japakk 143 Main auto-ms? So I know.
Not gonna make suggestions, already full of suggestions in other post. But I agree mining need to be improve before new mining stuff/Crafting recipes can be added.

[Wys 26]

 

4 hours ago, Choco said:

I think all Assassins in this game have nothing to do except for the mining stealings . 

Now you have no way except you have to upgrade to mining level to 10.

I've had this discussion with my clan mates and it seemed to me the main issue is the assassin class.

 

I would suggest to make gathering scaled up in level so for example:

lv0-3 require char level 1-100

lv4-6 require char level 101-120

lv7-9 require char level 121-139

lv10 require char level 140+

 

This way people will have a better incentive to gather on main chars and the "value" of assassin accounts are not inflated.

 

If we look at the rankings in SOD or BC, we see maybe ~10 assassins who actually play assassins as assassins, whether to kill in PVE or PVP. Given that this has been a longstanding issue and with the amount of new players this server gets everyday, it would be a good issue to look into.

[thichlam2010 157]

every mining char starts level 0 and has been stealing to up level 10, so accept this

[japakk 120]

5 hours ago, ???????? said:

VN has a few tiktok names, tiktok@, -tiktok-, tiktokxxx, tiktokyyy, looks to me different person, most high level miners, many Lv10. Last year I saw them too, they were lower levels like Lv5+. They are in the same groups, they share the same news, they told each other mining is profitable, so 1 by 1 they went to up miner. 
At least what looks like to me, not all just 1 person, even though same name. Same to 1stsua, suatua, suaon, suaxx, suayy, looks like 2~3 person to me. I;m not GM, don't have the means to judge.

 

SamAss, full-time miners, I spy on him few times to watch how he do mining. During that jelly update, miners set jelly 4kk price, he rotate 3 servers Forest of Spirit. After rotation, he afk (saw him stay there when empty) until respawn, his timing is good, so every other mines go to Forest of Spirit probably mine 0 or 1, 2. Until everybody just stop going Forest of Spirit or just run straight through it to next map. 
He did many ways of mine, that's just one that when he got spied by me. 

 

The other names you posted I don't have memories. Looks like casual miners.

 

Just came here to reply this actually. 
I can log 6 chars do 6 spawn moonhunter, all 6 chars use Boss crystals, take all 3 servers best spot Battlefield, and all 3 servers best stop Oasis. I can do that. 
But I cannot do that on mining. 

 

Low level miner, yes, I advice you create 2, or 3 miners to mine. Shards (Aqua, Topaz etc), higher level ores (Dragonslate, Mithril, etc), takes minutes to mine, what you gonna do, stare at screen? So if spawn ruby all for 1 hour, you only mine 5 minutes, another 55 minutes you stare at screen to watch??? Most boring. I was playing my phone Daily (gacha games), while low level mining. 

High level mining, no, because unlike Moonhunter every kill is the same drop, Mining don't. Go make 10 chars camp all, you will get 0 efriums at the end of the day after 10 hours farm. Just all fail. 

 

At Lv7 pickaxe, shards/efrium/high-ores take 10~30 seconds+ (depends if you fail on 1st try, 2nd try or finish on 3rd try), so 10~30 seconds you can have 1 extra mule miner to switch-over and check around the screens to see spawns. You can go over to spawn or wait Main Miner finish to switch server and union core over. 
If your Mule Miner see iron ore, just run and mine. If your Mule Miner see Ruby, you don't go over to mine, you are throwing that ruby away, you union core Main Miner over to mine. (really depends, if Ruby is cheap to you, you probably don't care and just use Mule Miner to mine).

 

At Lv10 pickaxe, everything takes less than 10 seconds, and you don't even fail, so you will never reach 30 seconds to mine like Lv7 pickaxe. You will NEVER camp 10 Mules. Even if you camp 10 mules, you DON'T use them to mine, only teleport.

Lv1 you take 2 minutes to mine something like Ruby, Lv10 you take 2 minutes to clear one Whole Map. In 15 minutes time, I can clear 1 FREAKing whole server, from Garden to Phillia, then Ruinen to Battlefield (including Oasis). 50 mins+ I can switch 3 servers clear everything. (ignore my values, probably there, but not 100% accurate)
So what for I gonna log 10 mules and camp, this is not Moonhunter. Log 10 mules for 10 hours everyday, and at the end of the days, I check 10 mules, all Iron Ores and Elfthorns? Nobody full-time miners just for Iron Ore/Elfthorn. That's the difference between 10 mule Moonhunter and 10 mule Miner.

The reason why you see people 10 mules camp Moonhunter Spots during Xmas Event or HLW event, but no one do that 10 mules camp Mining. Literally NO ONE.

So this is important: STOP SAY YOU CAN 10 MULES MINING. OMG. I CAME HERE TO REPLY FOR THIS.

Moonhunter sure I can pick all premiums/Boss crystals full every mules because no Fail, drops all same. Mining you gonna fail 10 mules for 10 hours. 

Moonhunter each mule full inventory = 20 ~ 50kk+ (depends how much you sell, some people sell 1kk, some sell 2kk)
Then yeah sure more mules are better. 
But Mining? 10 mules 10 hours you go see your inventory.

Or 10 x 10/10 Mining Mules? all 10 mules 10/10.. High investment, 0.000001% return. And still 10 hours invest everyday. WTF. (just wana exaggerate)

 

There are lots of donators in this game, you watched others farm, you thought it's easy, but go try, and you will see all the easy farms are nerf-ed since 2016, until 2022 that GBs finally make a U-turn, and go up in values. When GB was 750c/1 10 years ago. 
Sometimes not just donators, even GMs have no idea, they just nerf, but I don't think they even tried ONCE to go farm 10 hours everyday for a bloody WHOLE month to see. Sure there are people with macros, but Mining cannot be macro-ed, because you need to run to random spots, some parts have mobs to block you, some small rocks, cliffs need to climb. (you suspect people macro mining, inbox me, I go see, I wana learn)

 

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I'm not full-time, this my main 9/9.

 

this my mule miner 5/5.

 

another mule miner 5/4, still selling.

 

another mule miner 2/2.

 

maybe still other few, but I don't know which mule, got too many mules.

I got the habit to log many mules to go around doing stuff, sometimes mining.

I am not full-time miners. I just do different stuff everyday, because sticking to one is boring. So sometimes I mine, sometimes I go Boss, sometimes I go hunt maps, sometimes I go level up mules.
What I did when I was low level miner, I do mules mining, camping maps, because 3 minutes to mine a shard is a waste of time, so I open a lots mules.

But at Lv7/7 tools, and now my Main already Lv9/9, I don't even do mule camp. Sure I still do, but I only camp mules to check if that map respawns, so my Main can go over to clear, because nowadays all maps are empty too fast everyone is 10/10. And if there is a high-level spawn like Efrium, I will just union core my main over to mule miner and rush over.

The reason is, everything is so fast on my Main, I don't even have the extra time to switch windows to control Mule Mining. And I'm still Lv7/7 tools. 
I can clear a whole map in few minutes, like 2~3 minutes, you need to watch your Main for spawns, unlike Hunt Maps I only need to click mobs.

So sure in EB, I can take several spawns, it's stationary, no need run, no need to arrow-key or mouse-cursor screen-edge to change screen view to see north-south-east-west to check Mining Spawns. 
Tell me how you do that if you have alot miners? You can only do on 1, it's fast, need to run, need to change screen view constantly. 
Sure if you have alot Lv170 chars, you can do all of them in EB, because you don't need run, you don't need change screen view. Mob spawns are fixed, Mining spawns are not. 

 

Only this true. All my mule miner are all Lv0 tools. 

 

In mmorpg, pvp, ks, etc are toxic, but that's why people donate, because toxic is motivation to upgrade their chars, or buy Lv17x accounts.
But in mmorpg, we also have many non-toxics who play like Solo-rpg, these types of players actually q-u-i-t if game is toxic.
So there is a balance here to make sure all players, toxic or non-toxic can play and enjoy.

 

Some of the GMs need to play full-time in a toxic way, otherwise you are waiting veterans like me who like to explore, invent or just copy methods/playstyle from toxics, to be kind to waste my time to read and reply. 

Once you try it, you understand some of the methods are better-off playing on 1 char than focus on 10 chars. But it really depends. 

 

You are also wasting time for newbies' complain post to pop-up. Many newbies already q-u-i-t-ed. Better off go play toxic 10 hours mining with Lv1 miner and you will understand the frustration and hate. 

This post came up how many times? Do you see all those newbies? I think half of them q-u-i-t already. I'm not GMs, I don't care. 

2 years ago is still fine, when lots were still levelling up, now whole maps Lv10/10, how do Lv1 plays. In other MMO, you have very big maps, or many many maps to do gathering/mining.

Any MMO, let's say Black Desert, you can chop woods peacefully, you can peel skins peacefully, you can mine ores peacefully. Here Wartale? Lots content need to improve/balance/re-work, not just release and put there to rot.

Anyway I just want to reply because I got the feeling you know. I'm fine with KS, because with more newbies going around the maps, 10/10 full-time Miners suffer too, they go around clear 1 map in 2 minutes, now they go around 1 empty map STILL in 2 minutes running around finding nothing.

So both newbies and full-time miners suffer. (and that's why to you all newbie miners, remember your enemy also suffer together with you.. xD)

Sometimes when lots of newbies mining, I go around every spot seeing Shard/Efrium being mined by Lv1 pickaxe in a very slow motion (because Lv1 tool), I just sigh. I want to wish you good luck, but I also hate you for going to fail. Usually I just leave you alone. Unless I can tell you have 16x17x chars, so I know you not newbies.

And japakk 143 Main auto-ms? So I know.
Not gonna make suggestions, already full of suggestions in other post. But I agree mining need to be improve before new mining stuff/Crafting recipes can be added.

Perfect explanation about the whole topic and issue ❤️

 

And yes, my main is a 144 Auto-MS

3 hours ago, thichlam2010 said:

every mining char starts level 0 and has been stealing to up level 10, so accept this

 

I'm almost level 4/4 and never stole from anybody. You're just pathetic assuming this 😉 

[Xomb 52]

Just increase the spawn of lower lvls materials, so at least people can get mining exp and evolve to higher lvls easier.

 

It will cause lower materials do drop even more in price, so the server has to create demand for it.

 

But, people start mining from zero, and try to compete with higher lvl miners, and think it's so unfair, but think about it, how does this miners get to their lvl? Maybe some of them were pioneers when mining content was launched, but probably many of them had the same issue you face today.

 

of course, as long as new players come and they try to make some gold by mining this will turn more difficult.

 

I can only say, if you wana mine "in peace" you wont.

You'll have to make some efford in gears and also spend your time.

Do the afk routine in DS till you get lvl 4, buy a lvl4 pickaxe and buy some gear to reach a minimim of 40 speed.

Than you'll start to mine in a better position, till you reach lvl 7 and buy a lvl7 tool, and also improve your gear to max speed, than you'll be perfectly fine to mine.

 

[thichlam2010 157]

13 hours ago, japakk said:

 

I'm almost level 4/4 and never stole from anybody. You're just pathetic assuming this 😉 

 

you dont understand what i was saying. Low level has been ks by other, still level 10

you never ks anybody cause you cant, of course for level 4

I also start from level 1 and many people ks and i dont cry

Edited May 24, 2023 by thichlam2010

[lucifer666 24]

I agree, it is frustrated for players to actually wanna lvl up their mining char. 

This game is not new player friendly what so ever. I feel like more people leaving the game than attract more people to the game tbh. 

 

I feel like dev, support, whoever need to do something.

[japakk 120]

8 hours ago, thichlam2010 said:

 

you dont understand what i was saying. Low level has been ks by other, still level 10

you never ks anybody cause you cant, of course for level 4

I also start from level 1 and many people ks and i dont cry

 

I never steal from anyone because I'm not a idiot. it's not because I'm level 4. Wtf

[Bohrak1811 0]

Maybe a system like if u are "Mining", no one else can't be able to ks you, but if u fail the harvest from the first time, then they can

[buttertoast 94]

On 5/24/2023 at 8:11 AM, lucifer666 said:

I agree, it is frustrated for players to actually wanna lvl up their mining char. 

This game is not new player friendly what so ever. I feel like more people leaving the game than attract more people to the game tbh. 

 

I feel like dev, support, whoever need to do something.

 

it seems like they only care about a few people who probably donate the most money to the server... so they can do what ever they want while new players struggle even harder.. ive been talking about this for years but it probably wont ever change

[erickloro 398]

Limit ore vein for just 1 person per time try to get it

If you fail, 2 sec cooldown to try again on same ore, so if have another char on dispute, everyone

has a chance.

 

For each fail time, ore will be matured, gain extre ore chance for 2-3% per fail, limit at 3 times, after this

Vein broke and disappears.

 

Same for herbalism.

Its my suggestion 

 

Ks inst cool guys

 

 

 

[Natengs 126]

No cry,  on click pvp and dont have ks

[erickloro 398]

1 hour ago, Natengs said:

No cry,  on click pvp and dont have ks

Ass that have lvl 10 on mining/herbalism and can ks easily, dont need to farm with warmode on my bro

 

[japakk 120]

1 hour ago, Natengs said:

No cry,  on click pvp and dont have ks

 

Is this your argument? Grow up smh 

[JeleStore 372]

On 5/22/2023 at 4:33 AM, japakk said:

How can a 95 assassin kill this guy? 😕

As I was saying... 

 

 

 

 

Just keep badmouthing him until he dies of guilt and  sorrow 🤣🤣

 

🤣

On 5/23/2023 at 8:36 AM, japakk said:

How much will we wait until @Supportdo something? 

Don’t waste your time and sanity waiting. It won’t happen. They would have done it long ago if they remotely wanted to. It’s been forever and they have done nothing.

Edited June 14, 2023 by JeleStore

[MakeBelieve 2]

another solution can be to give exp and prize to the miner who did most damage. so if player A mined more than half way then if player B comes and mines the remaining hp then the prize still goes to player A if he’s still around

Edited June 14, 2023 by MakeBelieve

[ChookaPow 227]

by the gods what has this game become haha

[cameron 66]

same thing it's a 170 the guy does a x1 with 9 x there's no conditions it's the same thing mining this divesao

Edited August 5, 2023 by Support
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[lavanm221282 42]

++++1111
GM needs do something, we wait for along time, almost people annoyed when was ks in mining.

Edited August 7, 2023 by lavanm221282

[Overlady 5,238]

 

[ChookaPow 227]

1st attempt only? pfft.
to all who prefer a more casual experience, couldnt care less about pvp and are playe fed up of the toxicity of some players of this game,
i may or may not have started trying out some game called palia and i may or may not be recommending it

lets make love not war ✌️