Class rebalancing / new skills updates

[TigerShark22 490]

1 hour ago, HollyShot said:

if you want compare DT with PS it's fine, add the damage of the 3 hits against 1 hit of PS, woud be like 6k+ vs 1.8k-.

you have no logic, obvious that PS should have more dmg then AC, since FS has a "finisher" skill and archer doesnt have any. But that's not even the case, PS and AC has similar damage, both around 1.7k~1.8k, while FS has +2 useful skills (destroyer and charge are hit kill skills) and is way more tanker. And to reach that, AS should use cuepy and lose all her defense/abs, while fs can reach that not sacrificing anything. Using the same items (armor), AS will reach 1.4k 1.5k damage. 
You must be really no idea to think that AS is even closer to FS in balance right now, FS is in top3 best class, BS>FS/ATA, and AS is top3 worst class with MS and MG. But you don't play pvp how could you know that? 

1. " Compare DT with PS " - like a FS can spam DT. Great balance.

2.And lol, compare 3 hits of DT vs 1 of PS. Also the number of PS's damage- what build, armor+HP?  Those arent the numbers. Make no mistake, your damage got lower due to shared buffs nerf. Same happenned to FS. And the gap was huge, both took a nerf. Ofc the nerf in AS would be a bit bigger, but the gap is still huge. And this was caught in a video.

 

3. I have no logic? It can have more damage, as long as the AS pays the price. Can be in low points in vit/ no armor. If armor+vit- Ofc PS's damage should be a lot lower. Ranged attack, decent HP, high deff,very high evade, very high AR, decent crit.

You are right if she was to pay the price, and with cuepy/succubus + points on vit+str alone, AS's PS's damage would be a bit( only a bit) higher than a FS it was ok.  She should pay for her range+ running speed in a lot of hp, while still having evade to keep her alive. My point is that it's not the case.

 

4. We were talking about a video. Your talk and numbers here are cheap for some1 who can log them both. Or you are afraid we can see the result, like we did in the former videos. Which btw, you said that the balance was fine then, and now admitting that AS isnt as strong as before, meaning even you now agree she wasn't fine.

 

5. You are comparing a long range, high lucky stats character, high running speed to a close range, worst lucky stats melee- who in general can't even open 2h in team fights. Good for you.

 

6. Ata=FS? First- that's a broken balance, In PvP FS should be above ata, in both duels and 1v1 BC with buffs.

Yet, obviously, thats not the case, and FS isn't equal to ata, he is by far inferior. In duels they are around equal, with slight advantage to ata. In BC, ata becomes extremely OP, and she is far superior in 1v1 with buffs. Thats before even counting her insane superiority in Seiges+ team fights. It's not balanced.

 

7. The top 3 PvP classes are BS, ata ( as you mentioned yes ), and SS. FS isn't even there.

 

Edited September 18, 2024 by TigerShark22

[xxmyeggsxx 59]

2 hours ago, TigerShark22 said:

And FS can't hit 1.7k, even with a crown.

Your point?

The gap is still huge- you do realize that right?

 

Also- the only classes that get hurt by this, and only by a little are classes with a very low crit chance. Means FS with 1h axe, BS, all the 3 magical classes. And remember- only by a bit.

Actually fs can hit more than 1.7k

 

Top 3 right now, bs, ata, fs.

 

Shaman? Maybe top 4

Edited September 18, 2024 by xxmyeggsxx

[TigerShark22 490]

9 minutes ago, xxmyeggsxx said:

Actually fs can hit more than 1.7k

 

Top 3 right now, bs, ata, fs.

 

Shaman? Maybe top 4

I played both. Anyone who fought me, told me that my SS was by far superior. Even till lately, any FS vs SS usually ends up in the loss of the FS

That is even without counting team fights balance/ seiges balance.

 

Now Im KS btw, and he is even inferior to those 2.

[HollyShot 1,003]

4 minutes ago, TigerShark22 said:

1. " Compare DT with PS " - like a FS can spam DT. Great balance.

2.And lol, compare 3 hits of DT vs 1 of PS. Also the number of PS's damage- what build, armor+HP?  Those arent the numbers. Make no mistake, your damage got lower due to shared buffs nerf. Same happenned to FS. And the gap was huge, both took a nerf. Ofc the nerf in AS would be a bit bigger, but the gap is still huge. And this was caught in a video.

 

3. I have no logic? It can have more damage, as long as the AS pays the price. Can be in low points in vit/ no armor. If armor+vit- Ofc PS's damage should be a lot lower. Ranged attack, decent HP, high deff,very high evade, very high AR, decent crit. You are right if she was to pay the price, and with cuepy/succubus + points on vit+str alone, AS's PS's damage would be a bit( only a bit) higher than a FS, yet she pays for her range in a lot of hp, while still having evade to keep her alive. My point is that it's not the case.

 

4. We were talking about a video. Your talk and numbers here are cheap for some1 who can log them both. Or you are afraid we can see the result, like we did in the former videos. Which btw, you said that the balance was fine then, and now admitting that AS isnt as strong as before, meaning even you now agree she wasn't fine.

 

5. You are comparing a long range, high lucky stats character, high running speed to a close range, worst lucky stats melee- who in general can't even open 2h in team fights. Good for you.

 

6. Ata=FS? First- that's a broken balance, In PvP FS should be above ata, in both duels and 1v1 BC with buffs.

Yet, obviously, thats not the case, and FS isn't equal to ata, he is by far inferior. In duels they are around equal, with slight advantage to ata. In BC, ata becomes extremely OP, and she is far superior in 1v1 with buffs. Thats before even counting her insane superiority in Seiges+ team fights. It's not balanced.

 

7. The top 3 PvP classes are BS, ata ( as you mentioned yes ), and SS. FS isn't even there.

 

1- You started compared them saying about "long animation" of destroyer. What i said is that you can't just compare PS with AC ignoring that FS has better skills to add, and AS doesnt have any. And this video you saying was made years ago, so it means nothing now that they changed completly. 

2/3- Yes you lack of logic, comparing skills that are not the same, ignoring that 1 class has only one skill in pvp with another class that have at least 3. "Paying the price" or not, Archer will be inferior to FS by far, there is no way to compare since he tanks more, kills more, have a better debuff and more. The only "advantage" that you love to say, like it's an excuse to make your class far superior, is the range, something that can easily be counter by mounts, invisible class and in FS case his dash skill (charge).

4- Talking about a video that was made previously to the actual balance means nothing, AS was good enough at that time, and it's not anymore because of several nerfs on her evade, on her atk power (yes the nerf on her damage affects her more then affect FS, since the damage is (should be) her strong point). Her atk rating was also nerf in the past, and she misses her hits as much as any other class. 

Yeah i have access to AS/FS/SS/ATA/BS/PRS, almost all classes 17x and i affirm without a doubt that AS is the most difficult to play and the most weak of them. But it was fun to play when she was still "playable", not anymore. And with triadics+3 will be worst. My char is exping now and it's the only reason it still AS. Once i up i will change to another class that worths my money.
But you want me to log and make a video to proof to you? If staff asked me i would waste my time since it could mean some changes but it's not the case. I can log and take pics of FS hitting over 2k and AS hitting 1.7k, that's the max i would do for you, since you look too lazy to test yourself. 

5- As should have the highest DPS since it's the worst on defensive side, but right now it's garbage in both. FS obviously can't tank like a brawler or knight but is strong enough with his high hp, specially in high lvl with good gears. His damage is one of the best. In low lvl it's pretty much trash, but you can say the same about almost all classes. 

6- Yes, atalanta and fs are balanced between them (if you ignore all other classes). Their x1 is 50% chance for each side. Fs should be above atalanta in your opinion, and that's the point here, you want your class to be better then the other classes. In BC they also have the same performance, depends on the player. In siege wars Fs is superior, and makes better points, if you attend the event you will in top5 best scores always have some FS there, but never any ranger (they are usually too dead to make points).

7- the ranking right now from someone that actually plays the game is Brawler>FS/ATA>Shaman>KS>ASS>PIKE>PRS>MG/AS>MS. And talking about gaps, the top3 are far ahead of the rest.

[kenibok 1,072]

11 hours ago, TigerShark22 said:

that's a broken balance, In PvP FS should be above ata, in both duels and 1v1 BC with buffs.

 

11 hours ago, HollyShot said:

Fs should be above atalanta in your opinion, and that's the point here, you want your class to be better then the other classes.

 

Resume: balance and "should be above" can't be on the same sentence, your core is wrong.

[bjorgeftw 16]

23 hours ago, xv said:

I just feel the GM dont listen to player's feedback. 

 

and i think we should see new 150 154 items?
greatly encourage players to rush for levels. 

 

and i hope to see more balance class around the map.  likely 2027 we get class balancing.. :x

No one's gna "rush levels" on this server unless they make it realistic to do so. 

A couple of hours in EB and I have 0.5% in level 161. Cap is what - 185? Is there even a cap?

When it is like this, it is exclusively multiboxers and exp service that rule the leveling front.

Hope management wakes up and does something about this before it's too late.

[KriKa. 2,388]

Always complaim after updates

Always complaim if have new class

Always complaim after skill balance

Always complaim of event

Community of wartale complaim always alot and non stop

 

Cheers

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[TigerShark22 490]

On 9/18/2024 at 9:42 PM, HollyShot said:

1- You started compared them saying about "long animation" of destroyer. What i said is that you can't just compare PS with AC ignoring that FS has better skills to add, and AS doesnt have any. And this video you saying was made years ago, so it means nothing now that they changed completly. 

2/3- Yes you lack of logic, comparing skills that are not the same, ignoring that 1 class has only one skill in pvp with another class that have at least 3. "Paying the price" or not, Archer will be inferior to FS by far, there is no way to compare since he tanks more, kills more, have a better debuff and more. The only "advantage" that you love to say, like it's an excuse to make your class far superior, is the range, something that can easily be counter by mounts, invisible class and in FS case his dash skill (charge).

4- Talking about a video that was made previously to the actual balance means nothing, AS was good enough at that time, and it's not anymore because of several nerfs on her evade, on her atk power (yes the nerf on her damage affects her more then affect FS, since the damage is (should be) her strong point). Her atk rating was also nerf in the past, and she misses her hits as much as any other class. 

Yeah i have access to AS/FS/SS/ATA/BS/PRS, almost all classes 17x and i affirm without a doubt that AS is the most difficult to play and the most weak of them. But it was fun to play when she was still "playable", not anymore. And with triadics+3 will be worst. My char is exping now and it's the only reason it still AS. Once i up i will change to another class that worths my money.
But you want me to log and make a video to proof to you? If staff asked me i would waste my time since it could mean some changes but it's not the case. I can log and take pics of FS hitting over 2k and AS hitting 1.7k, that's the max i would do for you, since you look too lazy to test yourself. 

5- As should have the highest DPS since it's the worst on defensive side, but right now it's garbage in both. FS obviously can't tank like a brawler or knight but is strong enough with his high hp, specially in high lvl with good gears. His damage is one of the best. In low lvl it's pretty much trash, but you can say the same about almost all classes. 

6- Yes, atalanta and fs are balanced between them (if you ignore all other classes). Their x1 is 50% chance for each side. Fs should be above atalanta in your opinion, and that's the point here, you want your class to be better then the other classes. In BC they also have the same performance, depends on the player. In siege wars Fs is superior, and makes better points, if you attend the event you will in top5 best scores always have some FS there, but never any ranger (they are usually too dead to make points).

7- the ranking right now from someone that actually plays the game is Brawler>FS/ATA>Shaman>KS>ASS>PIKE>PRS>MG/AS>MS. And talking about gaps, the top3 are far ahead of the rest.

1.  You can compare spamable to spamable. You think AS who spams PS should own a FS who spams AC in close range? that's ridiculous. No changes was made since that video, except for outside buff nerfs, oh and PS's damage got a slight buff. " Many years ago"- not that many. Relatively recent.

 

2. AS also has Solar arrow. AS can 1 shot low hp classes. FS can't 1 shot, he needs at least 2 hits of DT to kill. Can't do it to FS, but she can do it to many others. We do not count only 1 spesific class vs 1 spesific class cause some classes have the edge on others only due to mechanics yet overally are weaker ( for example KS vs ATA- which I think is why you overestimate KS. Just his damage reduction, with high deff and above averange block makes it harder for ATA to kill him due to misses+ damage reduction works so much better on class with low damage- but high number of hits over time. Its a spesific case which doesnt represent most cases- cause for example ATA is usually stronger than FS when FS stomps KS).

 

3. FS kills more? With a lot lower damage? lower AR? with axe also lower crit? needing to be in close range which makes it nearly impossible to open 2h in big wars, hence using 1h crappy axe? Risking himself with long animation of DT as a close range glass cannon? how exactly FS kills more?

 

Tanks more? in what case?  you mean with armor, when AS has insanely high evade, average block and relatively high deff vs FS with average block, no evade at all and low deff?

In team fights the stat that matters more than that extra HP, is the abillity to make an opponent miss. AS also tanks a lot better in team fights, despite having less HP.

AS could also go HP+agi build, to have around the same brute force as FS, with reliable evasion instead of unreliable deff, and way higher AR instead of higher crit with sword( compared to axe FS, AS even has more crit, and becomes all around superior ).

 

4. Previous balance? the changed since that video is PS went from 159% to 163%, and outside offensive buffs add less damage ( which applies to FS too). Generally speaking, it's literally around the same as it was before. AS taken a penalty, but so is FS, while AS gotten a little boost. Taking that slight higher penality doesn't change much, especially when FS was buffed.

This is also funny- that you protected AS so badly then, and even after the AR buffs to melees+ overall buffs to melees- rangers in general were still OP and still protected.- despite reality.

 

5. Worst? In team fights/ Sieges- no. AS tanks better in that scenario.

1v1? depends against who. AS can go HP+agi in that scenario, with the brute force of FS, but higher evasion. It doesnt matter that FS has higher HP than AS, when AS has that much higher damage than him. She can usually kill in 1 hit+1 regular of PS, while FS will usually need 2 crits of AC. Despite even having to relay on low deff-- when AS has evade to keep her alive which works against any enemy. Also FS has to always engage in close combact, while AS can hit and run some classes.

 

Now- no one is saying FS damage should be higher, HP+agi build should still have higher damage- but only slightly more. Not insanely much more.

 

6. Im not a FS anymore, Im talking about what makes sense.

ATA is far superior in seiges and team fights. So in 1v1- FS should be superior - which isn't the case.

Not only that: Only in duels its around equal if ata doesnt use amazon rage ( when she does- she's far superior to FS- and usually the FS will find himself dead potting). Yet with outside buffs balance- ata is by far, more superior there.

 

7. I like how you placed PS as number 7, bellow ASS, yet when it fits you- you cry about nerfing PS.

 

You are also completely underestimating your class, and magic classes ( I guess underestimating magic class is because you don't duel without buffs+ AS is spesifically good against them).

Also overestimating KS ( mule stun in team fights, bellow average 1v1,  average in sieges- can't be top 5)   and underestimating SS. SS is literally superior to FS in every possible PvP aspect of the game- 1v1, team fights, sieges. 

 

You also completely understimating mech. I would love to know how you placed mech bellow KS- it amazes me. The class isn't popular due to it's PvE, and the fact that players want to hold dear to a power auto mech, which wont allow power mech to gain decent power to make it fun for them in dungeons. really sad.

 

You also placed ASS far too low. Every single person I fought stated that ASS is stronger than KS in 1v1 fights- she's usually the winner if the player has fingers.

  Could argue that ASS is above FS in most cases- but to see it you actually need fingers.

Btw- congratz on having the fingers to find out she's better than PS,  you know now what I knew  much time before you- like always.  

 

**P.S:

I love the circle- I state facts-  Im of course noob and wrong- few months later on- other players state what I have stated much before them, or get closer at least to my statement- till Im found right.

 

 

Edited September 20, 2024 by TigerShark22

[nicer 52]

can we go back to old chain lightning

 

remove range cap but reduce the damage

 

😭

[HollyShot 1,003]

6 hours ago, TigerShark22 said:

1.  You can compare spamable to spamable. You think AS who spams PS should own a FS who spams AC in close range? that's ridiculous. No changes was made since that video, except for outside buff nerfs, oh and PS's damage got a slight buff. " Many years ago"- not that many. Relatively recent.

 

2. AS also has Solar arrow. AS can 1 shot low hp classes. FS can't 1 shot, he needs at least 2 hits of DT to kill. Can't do it to FS, but she can do it to many others. We do not count only 1 spesific class vs 1 spesific class cause some classes have the edge on others only due to mechanics yet overally are weaker ( for example KS vs ATA- which I think is why you overestimate KS. Just his damage reduction, with high deff and above averange block makes it harder for ATA to kill him due to misses+ damage reduction works so much better on class with low damage- but high number of hits over time. Its a spesific case which doesnt represent most cases- cause for example ATA is usually stronger than FS when FS stomps KS).

 

3. FS kills more? With a lot lower damage? lower AR? with axe also lower crit? needing to be in close range which makes it nearly impossible to open 2h in big wars, hence using 1h crappy axe? Risking himself with long animation of DT as a close range glass cannon? how exactly FS kills more?

 

Tanks more? in what case?  you mean with armor, when AS has insanely high evade, average block and relatively high deff vs FS with average block, no evade at all and low deff?

In team fights the stat that matters more than that extra HP, is the abillity to make an opponent miss. AS also tanks a lot better in team fights, despite having less HP.

AS could also go HP+agi build, to have around the same brute force as FS, with reliable evasion instead of unreliable deff, and way higher AR instead of higher crit with sword( compared to axe FS, AS even has more crit, and becomes all around superior ).

 

4. Previous balance? the changed since that video is PS went from 159% to 163%, and outside offensive buffs add less damage ( which applies to FS too). Generally speaking, it's literally around the same as it was before. AS taken a penalty, but so is FS, while AS gotten a little boost. Taking that slight higher penality doesn't change much, especially when FS was buffed.

This is also funny- that you protected AS so badly then, and even after the AR buffs to melees+ overall buffs to melees- rangers in general were still OP and still protected.- despite reality.

 

5. Worst? In team fights/ Sieges- no. AS tanks better in that scenario.

1v1? depends against who. AS can go HP+agi in that scenario, with the brute force of FS, but higher evasion. It doesnt matter that FS has higher HP than AS, when AS has that much higher damage than him. She can usually kill in 1 hit+1 regular of PS, while FS will usually need 2 crits of AC. Despite even having to relay on low deff-- when AS has evade to keep her alive which works against any enemy. Also FS has to always engage in close combact, while AS can hit and run some classes.

 

Now- no one is saying FS damage should be higher, HP+agi build should still have higher damage- but only slightly more. Not insanely much more.

 

6. Im not a FS anymore, Im talking about what makes sense.

ATA is far superior in seiges and team fights. So in 1v1- FS should be superior - which isn't the case.

Not only that: Only in duels its around equal if ata doesnt use amazon rage ( when she does- she's far superior to FS- and usually the FS will find himself dead potting). Yet with outside buffs balance- ata is by far, more superior there.

 

7. I like how you placed PS as number 7, bellow ASS, yet when it fits you- you cry about nerfing PS.

 

You are also completely underestimating your class, and magic classes ( I guess underestimating magic class is because you don't duel without buffs+ AS is spesifically good against them).

Also overestimating KS ( mule stun in team fights, bellow average 1v1,  average in sieges- can't be top 5)   and underestimating SS. SS is literally superior to FS in every possible PvP aspect of the game- 1v1, team fights, sieges. 

 

You also completely understimating mech. I would love to know how you placed mech bellow KS- it amazes me. The class isn't popular due to it's PvE, and the fact that players want to hold dear to a power auto mech, which wont allow power mech to gain decent power to make it fun for them in dungeons. really sad.

 

You also placed ASS far too low. Every single person I fought stated that ASS is stronger than KS in 1v1 fights- she's usually the winner if the player has fingers.

  Could argue that ASS is above FS in most cases- but to see it you actually need fingers.

Btw- congratz on having the fingers to find out she's better than PS,  you know now what I knew  much time before you- like always.  

 

**P.S:

I love the circle- I state facts-  Im of course noob and wrong- few months later on- other players state what I have stated much before them, or get closer at least to my statement- till Im found right.

 

 

1- You can compare spammable skills but you can't ignore that a class has other better skills and another doesnt. Thats just dumb and biased. "no changed was made except..." well yes. And thats the point, when they nerf buffs some classes were affect more then others, in this case when PS could reach 2.2k max dmg now can't even reach 2k. And that was in indirect nerf to offensive classes, just like triadics+3 will be. 

2- Solar arrow is worst then phoenix shot, lower damage with longer animation, if you knew anything about AS you would know that. Everything else you said about this is wrong (like always), this skill is useless for months already. And no, i don't overestimate ks because atalanta, i ranked him in top5, just avarage, and i said very clear that bs/fs/ata are above all other classes.  

3- Yes, fs has one of the best DPS in pvp, and smart Fighters don't use 2 hands axe when they can be stronger using sword.
And tanks 10x more then an archer using cuepy, no doubt about it. If you use armor in AS it's possible argue they can tank the same while FS will kill way more. Her "insane" evade was nerf some patches ago and there is not much AS can do to tank, except if sacrifice all her damage. And HP is literally the most important attribute of the game, and thats why tulla relic is the strongest relic of the game. You must be really biased or have no idea what you saying to think AS is more tanker then FS.

4- Like i said, when they nerf buffs in the previous balance they killed AS, since it's a class that can't do nothing without external buffs, can't kill, can't tank. To be at least playable AS needs to have a strong DPS, since she is the number 1 target for everyone because of her lack of defense. 
And yeah, i defended AS at that time and i was right, you can see the result now when became close to be the worst class of the game. And that's why nobody wants to play this dead class in pvp. Most of archers already changed class, and i have no doubt that in the future will be only a pve class. When i change class and uae finish her xp (and probably change too) the top1 as will be 166. When FS have 6 17x because if you spend your money you want to have a good performance in pvp.

5- "As tanker better in that scenario". You live so far from the reality i don't even know if you play wartale. There is no scenario that AS is more tanker the fs, except if you take away all fs items and let AS full health. 
As can go "full hp+agi". Her hp will still be -1k compared with FS, while he will have 7k defense vs 2k defense. Obviously her evade is not enough to match this stats and thats why FS is way more tanker. But that is not the problem, FS should be more tanker (he is), but AS should be more killer (she isn't).

6- Maybe you are not FS, probably KS. But i'm 100% sure you will never be AS, at least for pvp. You wouldn't handle for 1 week losing all your duels (if you still make duels), in wars you were never there anyway. 
"Ata is far superior in siege and team fight" said the guy who never attend siege and team fight. Who said you that? 

Just to show you how wrong you are, last SW in top5 best scores, 3 were FS, 0 were atalanta or archer. (Sorry for bad quality, i took from a video). The reality is much different of your no-sense numbers.

7- Pike was nerf last patch and that why i reach him at number 7. He still have all advantages against AS, but against other classes he lack of his hit kill power. That happend because they nerfed extra buffs, tanker classes got indirect buff and classes that should be killers like pike, assassin and archer became worst. 

I'm not underestimating my class, it's the opposite, i know 100% of my class and i play all classes cuz i have access of all of them. And i assure you that it's only better then MS in pvp, but you will never believe till you play AS.

I'm also not overestimating KS, i ranked him in 5th because he still is the best to crowd control in wars (yes his stum is the best of the game), and he is a decent tanker, but he lack of firepower.  Double crash is a good skill and they buffed holy aura, but he needs his piercing divine deadly like before to reach the top classes. A good knight can make a huge difference in big wars.

I ranked shaman in 4, and that's fair. He is not in bs/fs/ata level, but it's a good class with a good buff for his party. 

Imagine thinking ks is worst then ms, that actually amazes. Im happy that you are the only one that believes that. Actually it's a consensus in the community that MS is completly garbage in pvp for years now.

ASS is not better then knight and it was one of the most affected class by the previous balance. Even tho she was never so popular, right now the top1 ASS is lvl 164. There are so many better classes to play. She is faster then ks, but way worst in defense. There is not much difference between then in duels, but in general they are top5/6.

 

P.S.: this circle never happend, i have never seen anyone that agrees with you except when you talk about brawler because it's too obvious even for you.

 

 

[YougNX 42]

7 hours ago, TigerShark22 said:

1.  You can compare spamable to spamable. You think AS who spams PS should own a FS who spams AC in close range? that's ridiculous. No changes was made since that video, except for outside buff nerfs, oh and PS's damage got a slight buff. " Many years ago"- not that many. Relatively recent.

 

2. AS also has Solar arrow. AS can 1 shot low hp classes. FS can't 1 shot, he needs at least 2 hits of DT to kill. Can't do it to FS, but she can do it to many others. We do not count only 1 spesific class vs 1 spesific class cause some classes have the edge on others only due to mechanics yet overally are weaker ( for example KS vs ATA- which I think is why you overestimate KS. Just his damage reduction, with high deff and above averange block makes it harder for ATA to kill him due to misses+ damage reduction works so much better on class with low damage- but high number of hits over time. Its a spesific case which doesnt represent most cases- cause for example ATA is usually stronger than FS when FS stomps KS).

 

3. FS kills more? With a lot lower damage? lower AR? with axe also lower crit? needing to be in close range which makes it nearly impossible to open 2h in big wars, hence using 1h crappy axe? Risking himself with long animation of DT as a close range glass cannon? how exactly FS kills more?

 

Tanks more? in what case?  you mean with armor, when AS has insanely high evade, average block and relatively high deff vs FS with average block, no evade at all and low deff?

In team fights the stat that matters more than that extra HP, is the abillity to make an opponent miss. AS also tanks a lot better in team fights, despite having less HP.

AS could also go HP+agi build, to have around the same brute force as FS, with reliable evasion instead of unreliable deff, and way higher AR instead of higher crit with sword( compared to axe FS, AS even has more crit, and becomes all around superior ).

 

4. Previous balance? the changed since that video is PS went from 159% to 163%, and outside offensive buffs add less damage ( which applies to FS too). Generally speaking, it's literally around the same as it was before. AS taken a penalty, but so is FS, while AS gotten a little boost. Taking that slight higher penality doesn't change much, especially when FS was buffed.

This is also funny- that you protected AS so badly then, and even after the AR buffs to melees+ overall buffs to melees- rangers in general were still OP and still protected.- despite reality.

 

5. Worst? In team fights/ Sieges- no. AS tanks better in that scenario.

1v1? depends against who. AS can go HP+agi in that scenario, with the brute force of FS, but higher evasion. It doesnt matter that FS has higher HP than AS, when AS has that much higher damage than him. She can usually kill in 1 hit+1 regular of PS, while FS will usually need 2 crits of AC. Despite even having to relay on low deff-- when AS has evade to keep her alive which works against any enemy. Also FS has to always engage in close combact, while AS can hit and run some classes.

 

Now- no one is saying FS damage should be higher, HP+agi build should still have higher damage- but only slightly more. Not insanely much more.

 

6. Im not a FS anymore, Im talking about what makes sense.

ATA is far superior in seiges and team fights. So in 1v1- FS should be superior - which isn't the case.

Not only that: Only in duels its around equal if ata doesnt use amazon rage ( when she does- she's far superior to FS- and usually the FS will find himself dead potting). Yet with outside buffs balance- ata is by far, more superior there.

 

7. I like how you placed PS as number 7, bellow ASS, yet when it fits you- you cry about nerfing PS.

 

You are also completely underestimating your class, and magic classes ( I guess underestimating magic class is because you don't duel without buffs+ AS is spesifically good against them).

Also overestimating KS ( mule stun in team fights, bellow average 1v1,  average in sieges- can't be top 5)   and underestimating SS. SS is literally superior to FS in every possible PvP aspect of the game- 1v1, team fights, sieges. 

 

You also completely understimating mech. I would love to know how you placed mech bellow KS- it amazes me. The class isn't popular due to it's PvE, and the fact that players want to hold dear to a power auto mech, which wont allow power mech to gain decent power to make it fun for them in dungeons. really sad.

 

You also placed ASS far too low. Every single person I fought stated that ASS is stronger than KS in 1v1 fights- she's usually the winner if the player has fingers.

  Could argue that ASS is above FS in most cases- but to see it you actually need fingers.

Btw- congratz on having the fingers to find out she's better than PS,  you know now what I knew  much time before you- like always.  

 

**P.S:

I love the circle- I state facts-  Im of course noob and wrong- few months later on- other players state what I have stated much before them, or get closer at least to my statement- till Im found right.

 

 

you talk in a stupid way, you don't play the same game as us.

[TigerShark22 490]

2 hours ago, HollyShot said:

1- You can compare spammable skills but you can't ignore that a class has other better skills and another doesnt. Thats just dumb and biased. "no changed was made except..." well yes. And thats the point, when they nerf buffs some classes were affect more then others, in this case when PS could reach 2.2k max dmg now can't even reach 2k. And that was in indirect nerf to offensive classes, just like triadics+3 will be. 

2- Solar arrow is worst then phoenix shot, lower damage with longer animation, if you knew anything about AS you would know that. Everything else you said about this is wrong (like always), this skill is useless for months already. And no, i don't overestimate ks because atalanta, i ranked him in top5, just avarage, and i said very clear that bs/fs/ata are above all other classes.  

3- Yes, fs has one of the best DPS in pvp, and smart Fighters don't use 2 hands axe when they can be stronger using sword.
And tanks 10x more then an archer using cuepy, no doubt about it. If you use armor in AS it's possible argue they can tank the same while FS will kill way more. Her "insane" evade was nerf some patches ago and there is not much AS can do to tank, except if sacrifice all her damage. And HP is literally the most important attribute of the game, and thats why tulla relic is the strongest relic of the game. You must be really biased or have no idea what you saying to think AS is more tanker then FS.

4- Like i said, when they nerf buffs in the previous balance they killed AS, since it's a class that can't do nothing without external buffs, can't kill, can't tank. To be at least playable AS needs to have a strong DPS, since she is the number 1 target for everyone because of her lack of defense. 
And yeah, i defended AS at that time and i was right, you can see the result now when became close to be the worst class of the game. And that's why nobody wants to play this dead class in pvp. Most of archers already changed class, and i have no doubt that in the future will be only a pve class. When i change class and uae finish her xp (and probably change too) the top1 as will be 166. When FS have 6 17x because if you spend your money you want to have a good performance in pvp.

5- "As tanker better in that scenario". You live so far from the reality i don't even know if you play wartale. There is no scenario that AS is more tanker the fs, except if you take away all fs items and let AS full health. 
As can go "full hp+agi". Her hp will still be -1k compared with FS, while he will have 7k defense vs 2k defense. Obviously her evade is not enough to match this stats and thats why FS is way more tanker. But that is not the problem, FS should be more tanker (he is), but AS should be more killer (she isn't).

6- Maybe you are not FS, probably KS. But i'm 100% sure you will never be AS, at least for pvp. You wouldn't handle for 1 week losing all your duels (if you still make duels), in wars you were never there anyway. 
"Ata is far superior in siege and team fight" said the guy who never attend siege and team fight. Who said you that? 

Just to show you how wrong you are, last SW in top5 best scores, 3 were FS, 0 were atalanta or archer. (Sorry for bad quality, i took from a video). The reality is much different of your no-sense numbers.

7- Pike was nerf last patch and that why i reach him at number 7. He still have all advantages against AS, but against other classes he lack of his hit kill power. That happend because they nerfed extra buffs, tanker classes got indirect buff and classes that should be killers like pike, assassin and archer became worst. 

I'm not underestimating my class, it's the opposite, i know 100% of my class and i play all classes cuz i have access of all of them. And i assure you that it's only better then MS in pvp, but you will never believe till you play AS.

I'm also not overestimating KS, i ranked him in 5th because he still is the best to crowd control in wars (yes his stum is the best of the game), and he is a decent tanker, but he lack of firepower.  Double crash is a good skill and they buffed holy aura, but he needs his piercing divine deadly like before to reach the top classes. A good knight can make a huge difference in big wars.

I ranked shaman in 4, and that's fair. He is not in bs/fs/ata level, but it's a good class with a good buff for his party. 

Imagine thinking ks is worst then ms, that actually amazes. Im happy that you are the only one that believes that. Actually it's a consensus in the community that MS is completly garbage in pvp for years now.

ASS is not better then knight and it was one of the most affected class by the previous balance. Even tho she was never so popular, right now the top1 ASS is lvl 164. There are so many better classes to play. She is faster then ks, but way worst in defense. There is not much difference between then in duels, but in general they are top5/6.

 

P.S.: this circle never happend, i have never seen anyone that agrees with you except when you talk about brawler because it's too obvious even for you.

 

 

A. I love how suddenly- “ SA has longer animation and is useless….” - longer animation suddenly matter isn’t it? Imagine being trapped in the 2 hits animation of AC. You really don’t know your stuff.

 

Also - PS: 163% damage boost

SA: 181%+30% bonus = 211%.

I missed the part where it is being weaker.  Even without the max range boost- it’s still stronger. Or suddenly animation length matters? 
Also- it’s not useless. Any build that isn’t armor + HP can 1 shot low hp classes with that when being in maximum range. 
 

 

 

 

B. I like how you refer PvP to strength in 1v1 alone when it fits you, and overall PvP when it doesn’t.

 

1. About mech vs KS- in team fights it depends on case. KS is better when being a mule stun + the enemies are noobs. That means they won’t release their stunned allies. With good enemies who will, mech will the same as KS because he can maintain his damage while using 1h. While KS will die quickly when he switches to 2h. Yet stunning for like 2-3 secs can be annoying. You only think mech is terrible in team fights because honestly you play AS. She’s in another league in team fights. 
 

Yet when it comes to 1v1- Mech is by far superior. Mech can kill anyone with 1h, having high brute force, while mentaining average deff with high block. KS has to choose- brute force or lucky state. Mech is the only melee who can do it. 

 

in sieges the difference between them is small though. 
 

2. Mech is by far superior to most classes in 1v1, yet here is another example of specific class vs specific class- Archer is insane good vs mech due to it having insanely high damage with PS+ the AR to nearly ignore his deff. Means he only has block+ evade from boots, and he dies to 1 crit + 1 regular of PS- like low HP classes. It’s the only case he can be treated like low HP class btw- due to PS being so OP.
Unlike the other low HP classes he doesn’t have range or dash or reliable ability to nuke, he’s a class that excels in standing his ground. Against archers with insanely high running speed, and high damage that cancels his HP advantage- he will usually lose. Saying mech is weak is something only archers can state. He’s not popular only due to his PvE alone, and literally every player who switched from mech says that. 
 

C. About PS- the nerf was to everyone. U are right that additively was, high damage classes got nerfed more. But if 165 FS caught in action dealing 1.7k per hit of AC, while ur AS caught in action dealing 2.2k- where exactly that FS is today?

 

Also about ur numbers in vit-  an archer that has 1k HP gap from FS has enough points to put in agi to hit 2k damage of PS. An archer that doesn’t do 2k damage with PS can’t have 1k HP gap- unless lvl diff.

 

Unless you wanna wear armor, which ofc u own him lucky stats wise in that case. 
 

Lastly about HP+ agi archer- you maintain the brute force of FS, while maintaining lucky stats that are usually better. Your AS can penetrate FS’s deff completely with her high AR ( unless you play like a noob without the 100% AR falcon). FS on the other hand has to get through ur evade.

 

Also- AS can pot between each PS. FS can’t pot during AC. AS has long range, FS doesn’t. 
AS can 1 hit low hp classes with SA- FS needs 2 hits of DT. Yet I’ll add that against tanky classes- DT is indeed better.

 

4. I have been to enough wars and team fights to see. 

5. Pike still have CS, yet ofc now players know CS is by far too slow to be useful. Yet I agree that rank classes shouldn’t die from SM, yet CS running speed could use a rework, so it can be a bit faster, low hp classes do deserve to die in 1 hit from SM+ vanish though. 
 

 

P.S:

Let’s see:

1. Rangers being OP which led to a new AR+ deff rework.

 

2. Mage and PRS constant debuff abus which was OP in PvP- was fixed, and blessed by everyone, and everyone agreed with me here. 
 

3. Axe FS vs sword FS. I was called noob, and assumed wrong cause my lvl is lower than the top FS. Apparently- I got it right.

 

4. New SS- is OP. More players agree with me than with you. SS was one of the most unpopular classes. Now: 41 SSs 160+, more than multiplied by 2 since his buff.

And as SS pre buff, and after, he was still great pre buff. Just players can’t even comprehend how good their classes are, so he was assumed weak. 

5. BS being OP.

 

6. ATA with Amazon rage is OP. Even u finally state that. Even without it- they are still insanely strong. You still underestimate them though- give it few months. 

 

7. KS being a mule stun. Agreed by everyone in general. DP of 7 hits being too long. DP of 5 hits being too weak per hit. GC to 90% etc etc. All of those are either implanted or I guess on their way. 

8.  FS being overrated is agreed by everyone in this server according to the meta of changing to FS, and changing back from it after a week / few days or so. Also FS gotten a buff since then at PvE, and players state that he still suck. GMs knew exactly what he needed, according to pure testing, not: “ I *feel* “. The players just prevented it. 
 

9. Pike needing a buff at CL. Done by the admins, and pikes can stand their ground a bit better now.  Also- for a PvP class- ranking him so low in really a shame. Number 7 in your ranking, which overestimates melees which aren’t mech. Imagine his actual rank. 

10. ASS reworks for good in PvE. ASS being better than pike in PvP. Doesn’t matter what you specifically think- you have OverLady- a GM who loves ASS and agrees with me about  this. 

 

 
 

Those are only the ones I can remember. There are probably more. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by TigerShark22

[HollyShot 1,003]

45 minutes ago, TigerShark22 said:

A. I love how suddenly- “ SA has longer animation and is useless….” - longer animation suddenly matter isn’t it? Imagine being trapped in the 2 hits animation of AC. You really don’t know your stuff.

 

Also - PS: 163% damage boost

SA: 181%+30% bonus = 211%.

I missed the part where it is being weaker.  Even without the max range boost- it’s still stronger. Or suddenly animation length matters? 
Also- it’s not useless. Any build that isn’t armor + HP can 1 shot low hp classes with that when being in maximum range. 
 

 

 

 

B. I like how you refer PvP to strength in 1v1 alone when it fits you, and overall PvP when it doesn’t.

 

1. About mech vs KS- in team fights it depends on case. KS is better when being a mule stun + the enemies are noobs. That means they won’t release their stunned allies. With good enemies as such, mech will be better because he can maintain his damage while using 1h. While KS will die quickly when he switches to 2h. 
 

Yet when it comes to 1v1- Mech is by far superior. Mech can kill anyone with 1h, having high brute force, while mentaining average deff with high block. KS has to choose- brute force or lucky state. Mech is the only melee who can do it. 

 

in sieges the difference between them is small though. 
 

2. Mech is by far superior to most classes in 1v1, yet here is another example of specific class vs specific class- Archer is insane good vs mech due to it having insanely high damage with PS+ the AR to nearly ignore his deff. Means he only has block+ evade from boots, and he dies to 1 crit + 1 regular of PS- like low HP classes. It’s the only case he can be treated like low HP class btw- due to PS being so OP.
Unlike the other low HP classes he doesn’t have range or dash or reliable ability to nuke, he’s a class that excels in standing his ground. Against archers with insanely high running speed, and high damage that cancels his HP advantage- he will usually lose. Saying mech is weak is something only archers can state. He’s not popular only due to his PvE alone, and literally every player who switched from mech says that. 
 

C. About PS- the nerf was to everyone. U are right that additively was, high damage classes got nerfed more. But if 165 FS caught in action dealing 1.7k per hit of AC, while ur AS caught in action dealing 2.2k- where exactly that FS is today?

 

Also about ur numbers in vit-  an archer that has 1k HP gap from FS has enough points to put in agi to hit 2k damage of PS. An archer that doesn’t do 2k damage with PS can’t have 1k HP gap- unless lvl diff.

 

Unless you wanna wear armor, which ofc u own him lucky stats wise in that case. 
 

Lastly about HP+ agi archer- you maintain the brute force of FS, while maintaining lucky stats that are usually better. Your AS can penetrate FS’s deff completely with her high AR ( unless you play like a noob without the 100% AR falcon). FS on the other hand has to get through ur evade.

 

Also- AS can pot between each PS. FS can’t pot during AC. AS has long range, FS doesn’t. 
AS can 1 hit low hp classes with SA- FS needs 2 hits of DT. Yet I’ll add that against tanky classes- DT is indeed better.

 

4. I have been to enough wars and team fights to see. 

5. Pike still have CS, yet ofc now players know CS is by far too slow to be useful. Yet I agree that rank classes shouldn’t die from SM, yet CS running speed could use a rework, so it can be a bit faster, low hp classes do deserve to die in 1 hit from SM+ vanish though. 
 

 

P.S:

let’s see:

1. Rangers being OP which led to a new AR+ deff rework.

 

2. Mage and PRS constant debuff abus which was OP in PvP- was fixed, and blessed by everyone, and everyone agreed with me here. 
 

3. Axe FS vs sword FS. I was called noob, and assumed wrong cause my lvl is lower than the top FS. Apparently- I got it right.

 

4. New SS- is OP. More players agree with me than with you. SS was one of the most unpopular classes. Now: 41 SSs 160+, more than multiplied by 2 since his buff.

And as SS pre buff, and after, he was still great pre buff. Just players can’t even comprehend how good their classes are, so he was assumed weak. 

5. BS being OP.

 

6. ATA with Amazon rage is OP. Even u finally state that. Even without it- they are still insanely strong. You still underestimate them though- give it few months. 

 

7. KS being a mule stun. Agreed by everyone in general. DP of 7 hits being too long. DP of 5 hits being too weak per hit. GC to 90% etc etc. All of those are either implanted or I guess on their way. 

8.  FS being overrated is agreed by everyone in this server according to the meta of changing to FS, and changing back from it after a week / few days or so. Also FS gotten a buff since then at PvE, and players state that he still suck. GMs knew exactly what he needed, according to pure testing, not: “ I *feel* “. The players just prevented it. 
 

9. Pike needing a buff at CL. Done by the admins, and pikes can stand their ground a bit better now.  Also- for a PvP class- ranking him so low in really a shame. Number 7 in your ranking, which overestimates melees which aren’t mech. Imagine his actual rank. 

10. ASS reworks for good in PvE. ASS being better than pike in PvP. Doesn’t matter what you specifically think- you have OverLady- a GM who loves ASS and agrees with me about  this. 

 

 
 

Those are only the ones I can remember. There are probably more. 

A- i have never said long animation wasnt a factor, that's a lie. Solar arrow would be a good skill if was like before, but simple doesnt have any sense to use a skill that have the exact same damage of phoenix shot that is faster. I would easily give solar arrow dmg to fs, and take DT dmg for AS cuz even with longer animation is much better. 
But long animation in AC? this skill is like 2 hits in 1.2 seconds, there is no way you die between the 2 hits, only if you are really bad and cast the skill when your hp already low. 

The damage boost numbers can be better for solar, but in reality is the exact same damage of PS. You can log and test instead of only reading numbers. 

B- I consider all type of pvp instead only 1v1 or only war. Archer for example, was always the worst in 1v1, but was good in war. Now is bad in both. KS is avarage in 1v1, super good for wars. FS is good in both. 

I won't go in mech topic, you are only embarassing yourself, MS is completly garbage for everyone, you are the only exception that says insane things like "mech is by far superior a most class 1v1", when we don't have a single MS in the server that is good 1v1. A class that has no debuff, miss most of his hits,  his hits lack of damage, nothing special on his defensive side, etc.

C- Im happy you finally admit that the nerf in offensive classes was bigger. But yeah, PS and AC has similar damage now ~1.7k, but to reach that AS will need sacrifice all his defense have high lvl + centlon brac, so FS will win anyway. And not to mention destroyer and charge. As doesnt have anything else. His stum is better too. In general, FS is way better then AS. The only advantage would be the range, and that is easily countered. 

About the numbers, AS with health can't even get close to 2k, she will deal ~1.6k damage now. You are talking about numbers from the previous patch, not this one. All her damages dropped around <200 now. FS is just fine today, the only class he wont win is brawler. 
AS can possible win vs MS and maybe mage. No chance against any of the other classes. Ofc she can kill eventually, but in general she will lose 90% of tries. 
You said AS can penetrate fs defense. Thats true, and FS can penetrate AS evade, specially now that was nerfed. But AS will need 2 or 3 hits to kill a FS, while FS will just need 1 hit of 3 in his destroyer to hk AS. Archers usually have 1.8k in hp (with VL), while each hit of destroyer is 2k+.

D(4)- you have been in 1 war in your life? thats news for me. Cuz im there almost everyday and have never seen you. 

5- Pike can't relate on CS only simple cuz this skill has a huge delay and takes alot time to charge.

 

P.s:

1- You were not the first or the only one who cried about archers, so you have no merit here. Btw the changes were worst for the game, not better. PVP in the past was better in 2022 then  now in 2024.

2- All debuffs were nerf, not only mage and prs, dont take credit for that. And ofc nobody likes to be debuffed.

3- You were not the first one to say sword is better then axe. Actually most of the community always agreed with that.

4- Shaman is not OP and i don't know anyone but you that thinks like that. It's a good class and thats it. BS/FS/ATA are better.

5- BS being op wow 

6- Atalanta was well balanced before, but amazon skill was buffed last patch. And that made this class op against most of the classes, but in the same level of FS and below brawler. You cried about this class for years, and you were wrong at that time.

7- Ks can be a stum mule, but a good ks can make a good score also. Ofc wont be like the top tiers classes. I don't know what merit you had here, for sure you were not the first player of this game to say ks is a mule stum haha.

8- FS is not overrated, actually is really well rated by everyone. It's a top3 class. And that reflects in ranking, it's the class with the most number of 17x. Anyone that changed class was probably to exp or to change to BS.

9- Pike didn't get any buff in CL in pvp, so i have no idea what you saying. In PVE pike players always complained. And he was a top3 class before the nerf in the buffs, but it's a class that depends on his hitkill, when he can't reach that number he dropped in ranking.

10- Pike was better then ASS, till last patch. Her 1v1 is better, but he could hit kill easily and has dodge.

If thats all you have, is just your ego. You weren't pioneer in anything.

Edited September 20, 2024 by HollyShot

[sacerzuim 62]

On 9/18/2024 at 3:42 PM, HollyShot said:

1- You started compared them saying about "long animation" of destroyer. What i said is that you can't just compare PS with AC ignoring that FS has better skills to add, and AS doesnt have any. And this video you saying was made years ago, so it means nothing now that they changed completly. 

2/3- Yes you lack of logic, comparing skills that are not the same, ignoring that 1 class has only one skill in pvp with another class that have at least 3. "Paying the price" or not, Archer will be inferior to FS by far, there is no way to compare since he tanks more, kills more, have a better debuff and more. The only "advantage" that you love to say, like it's an excuse to make your class far superior, is the range, something that can easily be counter by mounts, invisible class and in FS case his dash skill (charge).

4- Talking about a video that was made previously to the actual balance means nothing, AS was good enough at that time, and it's not anymore because of several nerfs on her evade, on her atk power (yes the nerf on her damage affects her more then affect FS, since the damage is (should be) her strong point). Her atk rating was also nerf in the past, and she misses her hits as much as any other class. 

Yeah i have access to AS/FS/SS/ATA/BS/PRS, almost all classes 17x and i affirm without a doubt that AS is the most difficult to play and the most weak of them. But it was fun to play when she was still "playable", not anymore. And with triadics+3 will be worst. My char is exping now and it's the only reason it still AS. Once i up i will change to another class that worths my money.
But you want me to log and make a video to proof to you? If staff asked me i would waste my time since it could mean some changes but it's not the case. I can log and take pics of FS hitting over 2k and AS hitting 1.7k, that's the max i would do for you, since you look too lazy to test yourself. 

5- As should have the highest DPS since it's the worst on defensive side, but right now it's garbage in both. FS obviously can't tank like a brawler or knight but is strong enough with his high hp, specially in high lvl with good gears. His damage is one of the best. In low lvl it's pretty much trash, but you can say the same about almost all classes. 

6- Yes, atalanta and fs are balanced between them (if you ignore all other classes). Their x1 is 50% chance for each side. Fs should be above atalanta in your opinion, and that's the point here, you want your class to be better then the other classes. In BC they also have the same performance, depends on the player. In siege wars Fs is superior, and makes better points, if you attend the event you will in top5 best scores always have some FS there, but never any ranger (they are usually too dead to make points).

7- the ranking right now from someone that actually plays the game is Brawler>FS/ATA>Shaman>KS>ASS>PIKE>PRS>MG/AS>MS. And talking about gaps, the top3 are far ahead of the rest.

I have just one thing to say: 

 

Thank you! I couldn’t use better words.

[TigerShark22 490]

On 9/20/2024 at 8:03 PM, HollyShot said:

A- i have never said long animation wasnt a factor, that's a lie. Solar arrow would be a good skill if was like before, but simple doesnt have any sense to use a skill that have the exact same damage of phoenix shot that is faster. I would easily give solar arrow dmg to fs, and take DT dmg for AS cuz even with longer animation is much better. 
But long animation in AC? this skill is like 2 hits in 1.2 seconds, there is no way you die between the 2 hits, only if you are really bad and cast the skill when your hp already low. 

The damage boost numbers can be better for solar, but in reality is the exact same damage of PS. You can log and test instead of only reading numbers. 

B- I consider all type of pvp instead only 1v1 or only war. Archer for example, was always the worst in 1v1, but was good in war. Now is bad in both. KS is avarage in 1v1, super good for wars. FS is good in both. 

I won't go in mech topic, you are only embarassing yourself, MS is completly garbage for everyone, you are the only exception that says insane things like "mech is by far superior a most class 1v1", when we don't have a single MS in the server that is good 1v1. A class that has no debuff, miss most of his hits,  his hits lack of damage, nothing special on his defensive side, etc.

C- Im happy you finally admit that the nerf in offensive classes was bigger. But yeah, PS and AC has similar damage now ~1.7k, but to reach that AS will need sacrifice all his defense have high lvl + centlon brac, so FS will win anyway. And not to mention destroyer and charge. As doesnt have anything else. His stum is better too. In general, FS is way better then AS. The only advantage would be the range, and that is easily countered. 

About the numbers, AS with health can't even get close to 2k, she will deal ~1.6k damage now. You are talking about numbers from the previous patch, not this one. All her damages dropped around <200 now. FS is just fine today, the only class he wont win is brawler. 
AS can possible win vs MS and maybe mage. No chance against any of the other classes. Ofc she can kill eventually, but in general she will lose 90% of tries. 
You said AS can penetrate fs defense. Thats true, and FS can penetrate AS evade, specially now that was nerfed. But AS will need 2 or 3 hits to kill a FS, while FS will just need 1 hit of 3 in his destroyer to hk AS. Archers usually have 1.8k in hp (with VL), while each hit of destroyer is 2k+.

D(4)- you have been in 1 war in your life? thats news for me. Cuz im there almost everyday and have never seen you. 

5- Pike can't relate on CS only simple cuz this skill has a huge delay and takes alot time to charge.

 

P.s:

1- You were not the first or the only one who cried about archers, so you have no merit here. Btw the changes were worst for the game, not better. PVP in the past was better in 2022 then  now in 2024.

2- All debuffs were nerf, not only mage and prs, dont take credit for that. And ofc nobody likes to be debuffed.

3- You were not the first one to say sword is better then axe. Actually most of the community always agreed with that.

4- Shaman is not OP and i don't know anyone but you that thinks like that. It's a good class and thats it. BS/FS/ATA are better.

5- BS being op wow 

6- Atalanta was well balanced before, but amazon skill was buffed last patch. And that made this class op against most of the classes, but in the same level of FS and below brawler. You cried about this class for years, and you were wrong at that time.

7- Ks can be a stum mule, but a good ks can make a good score also. Ofc wont be like the top tiers classes. I don't know what merit you had here, for sure you were not the first player of this game to say ks is a mule stum haha.

8- FS is not overrated, actually is really well rated by everyone. It's a top3 class. And that reflects in ranking, it's the class with the most number of 17x. Anyone that changed class was probably to exp or to change to BS.

9- Pike didn't get any buff in CL in pvp, so i have no idea what you saying. In PVE pike players always complained. And he was a top3 class before the nerf in the buffs, but it's a class that depends on his hitkill, when he can't reach that number he dropped in ranking.

10- Pike was better then ASS, till last patch. Her 1v1 is better, but he could hit kill easily and has dodge.

If thats all you have, is just your ego. You weren't pioneer in anything.

Ill answer this 1 in short:

1. The fact that you think that your AS got her damage nerfed and FS didn't- absurd. Basic Math knower can answer it so easly. You took a bigger nerf with buffs, yet using buffs was an indirect buff to high DPS characters ( high burst/ high attack speed).

About SA vs PS: upload a video where we can see your stats, and you verify that. You have access to AS, I don't. Yet I know the answer already cause I have been dueling ASs.

 

2. The fact that you think FS is good in wars- compared to any ranged class- not at all. Those are obviously better. Won't elaborate at debatable ones in this, and in what aspect, cause I already did.

 

3. I already debunked  everything you wrote in previous comments/ topics.

 

Your P.S is filled with nonsense. You can keep saying whatever you want. Anyone who wants to check who is correct - can just go and view old topics, and the answer is me of course.

 

 

Just do a verification video to us, as you say, you have access to both FS and AS. And remember- same lvl stats, ideal stats filling. I already know the result though, but please show us.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, TigerShark22 said:

Anyone who wants to check who is correct - can just go and view old topics, and the answer is me of course

 

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1 hour ago, TigerShark22 said:

Anyone who wants to check who is correct - can just go and view old topics, and the answer is me of course.

 

 

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