Lets talk about AS

[YARDBR 168]

Hello players and STAFF

 

We see that as time goes by, one of the most acclaimed classes in the game is disappearing,

Why don't archers play BC anymore?

I've been playing AS since 2012 and I don't think I've ever seen it as bad as it is now.

I don't think it makes much sense for a class with a 7k atkRating to miss 65% of its hits. What's the problem with killing with AS?

In my opinion, archer should be the class that kills the most, and at the same time the easiest to kill, the one that dies the most...

Killing an archer is extremely easy, but killing as an archer is really difficult.

I see the class disappearing in the same way as the mechanic, with successive nerfs making the class obsolete in the game.

Today, if you are 17x and play as an archer, the impression you get is that you dropped 10 or more levels and became much weaker.

That said, I have some ideas to help balance the class within the game. Some people will say that archers are strong, but they are not... all classes are better represented within the game than archers and mechanics... The numbers are proof of what I say.

 

+10% attack power

Fix Solar Arrow, as it's a slow skill that deals the same damage as Phoenix (there's no point in using it).

Increase the stumping speed, as the animation is so long that she dies stunned.

Remove the penalty when using a shield.

 

 

Making the archer competitive is not difficult, the problem has been the amount that the doll misses, the archer should not miss more than 30% of the attempts, because she will die 90% of the times she is attacked, the math does not lie, today I need to attack 5 times to hit 2 times

 

 

I hope my opinion is respected and taken into consideration by the Staff, I just want a game where all classes have the same relevance, and unfortunately the class I know the most about is not playable at the moment.

 

All competitive players must agree to this, or I just invite you to give it a try.

 

 

Cyaa and Enjoy WarTale!!!

[andrezitos 5]

It's true, today the archer is the weakest class in the game, has less AS than MS in the game, it's unfeasible to play with the class, besides crying very easily, it's very difficult to kill, because there were so many. I hope the administrators are selling this and thinking of a way to improve the class

[Merenda 900]

+1

 

Leap Shot should also 100% push the target. Damage could miss, but the control effect not.

[HollyShot 1,029]

It's expected after so many nerfs. Today, archer's impact is almost zero in pvp. A class that should be extremely offensive can't kill anyone alone. 
Staff said it's "hard to balance", so instead of trying they just let garbage.

That's why most archers already leave this class, can't kill, can't tank, the max you can do is support. No reason to play this class when you have so many other choices that can do better, with less effort.

Your suggestions were on point, atk power, solar arrow, stum, these were some points they nerfed in the past. Also, losing evade for using shield was such a clown nerf lol.  

 

[mastellini 542]

2 hours ago, YARDBR said:

7k atkRating to miss 65%

when shaman with 4k always hit you and crit with 25% xDDDDD numbers no make sense

[xkintaro 2,148]

the game is getting harder and harder to balance, tons of evade/block on characters that normally didn't have those stats.

[cyrc 53]

the only reason people play AS is : Can AFK while hunting low level boss ( using cuepy or hopy add 100 range ). if they increase bosses attack range or nerf AS range. I think no one wanna play AS.

AS is demon type counter. But now, SS can kill demon monster faster than AS. 

Give me 1 reason to you guys keep playing AS?

Edited July 19 by cyrc

[CBUM 174]

+1

[diemurd 487]

+1

[rick96 23]

+1

[MrGreen 118]

Mechanician is waiting for u archer 🤣

[KriKa. 2,438]

On 7/19/2025 at 10:27 AM, YARDBR said:

Hello players and STAFF

 

We see that as time goes by, one of the most acclaimed classes in the game is disappearing,

Why don't archers play BC anymore?

I've been playing AS since 2012 and I don't think I've ever seen it as bad as it is now.

I don't think it makes much sense for a class with a 7k atkRating to miss 65% of its hits. What's the problem with killing with AS?

In my opinion, archer should be the class that kills the most, and at the same time the easiest to kill, the one that dies the most...

Killing an archer is extremely easy, but killing as an archer is really difficult.

I see the class disappearing in the same way as the mechanic, with successive nerfs making the class obsolete in the game.

Today, if you are 17x and play as an archer, the impression you get is that you dropped 10 or more levels and became much weaker.

That said, I have some ideas to help balance the class within the game. Some people will say that archers are strong, but they are not... all classes are better represented within the game than archers and mechanics... The numbers are proof of what I say.

 

+10% attack power

Fix Solar Arrow, as it's a slow skill that deals the same damage as Phoenix (there's no point in using it).

Increase the stumping speed, as the animation is so long that she dies stunned.

Remove the penalty when using a shield.

 

 

Making the archer competitive is not difficult, the problem has been the amount that the doll misses, the archer should not miss more than 30% of the attempts, because she will die 90% of the times she is attacked, the math does not lie, today I need to attack 5 times to hit 2 times

 

 

I hope my opinion is respected and taken into consideration by the Staff, I just want a game where all classes have the same relevance, and unfortunately the class I know the most about is not playable at the moment.

 

All competitive players must agree to this, or I just invite you to give it a try.

 

 

Cyaa and Enjoy WarTale!!!

@HollyShot

 

[c0T0n 3]

+1

[kagura282212 57]

+9999999

[kenibok 1,100]

On 7/19/2025 at 9:27 AM, YARDBR said:

Hello players and STAFF

 

We see that as time goes by, one of the most acclaimed classes in the game is disappearing,

Why don't archers play BC anymore?

I've been playing AS since 2012 and I don't think I've ever seen it as bad as it is now.

I don't think it makes much sense for a class with a 7k atkRating to miss 65% of its hits. What's the problem with killing with AS?

In my opinion, archer should be the class that kills the most, and at the same time the easiest to kill, the one that dies the most...

Killing an archer is extremely easy, but killing as an archer is really difficult.

I see the class disappearing in the same way as the mechanic, with successive nerfs making the class obsolete in the game.

Today, if you are 17x and play as an archer, the impression you get is that you dropped 10 or more levels and became much weaker.

That said, I have some ideas to help balance the class within the game. Some people will say that archers are strong, but they are not... all classes are better represented within the game than archers and mechanics... The numbers are proof of what I say.

 

+10% attack power

Fix Solar Arrow, as it's a slow skill that deals the same damage as Phoenix (there's no point in using it).

Increase the stumping speed, as the animation is so long that she dies stunned.

Remove the penalty when using a shield.

 

 

Making the archer competitive is not difficult, the problem has been the amount that the doll misses, the archer should not miss more than 30% of the attempts, because she will die 90% of the times she is attacked, the math does not lie, today I need to attack 5 times to hit 2 times

 

 

I hope my opinion is respected and taken into consideration by the Staff, I just want a game where all classes have the same relevance, and unfortunately the class I know the most about is not playable at the moment.

 

All competitive players must agree to this, or I just invite you to give it a try.

 

 

Cyaa and Enjoy WarTale!!!

 

Archer in priston PvP/PvE have always had many signature skills and should represent the rangers but today it def doesn't, forgotten, nerfed no spice and really doesn't matter your build or relics archer simply doesn't have a chance competing today

You're right, rating doesn't seem to work & damage is low in comparison of rest of classes, specially because archer skills are 1 hit and its critical is way lower than rest

 

you said it so well, +1 for your suggestions

Archer dmg overall is too low now; Phoenix needs a buff & fix speed animation when using summer/speed buffs

Where's tier5?? Yeah Solar Arrow dmg seems bugged its atk pow is equal to phoenix but much slower, today there's no reason to prefer over phoenix

Leapshot needs a remake or big fixes

Perforation is another signature skill that's erased even with width, damage & critical not worth

 

#FreeArcher

Edited July 20 by kenibok

[benitez123 33]

And they make this game not so good for archers, made a map that needs a tank then punish players that created a tank for them just to play archer. As if it did stop the macroers to do their ****. smh

[PrisPris 60]

1 hour ago, benitez123 said:

And they make this game not so good for archers, made a map that needs a tank then punish players that created a tank for them just to play archer. As if it did stop the macroers to do their ****. smh

+1

[Mjizzy_7 2,074]

I think As is not bad, but because ata is so much better people feel that archer is weak. Means the buff of Ata made Archer looks bad.

Same goes to Ks. Its not bad but compared to FS/BS he looks just like a stun mule, is the weakest in x1.

I think a new Skill balance is needet.

Its boring to see FS/BS/SS/Ata only on pvp (when there is even pvp ) 
 

[ShaDownGT 15]

4 hours ago, Mjizzy_7 said:

I think As is not bad, but because ata is so much better people feel that archer is weak. Means the buff of Ata made Archer looks bad.

Same goes to Ks. Its not bad but compared to FS/BS he looks just like a stun mule, is the weakest in x1.

I think a new Skill balance is needet.

Its boring to see FS/BS/SS/Ata only on pvp (when there is even pvp ) 
 

+1

[Megakiller 38]

On 7/19/2025 at 9:27 AM, YARDBR said:

Hello players and STAFF

 

We see that as time goes by, one of the most acclaimed classes in the game is disappearing,

Why don't archers play BC anymore?

I've been playing AS since 2012 and I don't think I've ever seen it as bad as it is now.

I don't think it makes much sense for a class with a 7k atkRating to miss 65% of its hits. What's the problem with killing with AS?

In my opinion, archer should be the class that kills the most, and at the same time the easiest to kill, the one that dies the most...

Killing an archer is extremely easy, but killing as an archer is really difficult.

I see the class disappearing in the same way as the mechanic, with successive nerfs making the class obsolete in the game.

Today, if you are 17x and play as an archer, the impression you get is that you dropped 10 or more levels and became much weaker.

That said, I have some ideas to help balance the class within the game. Some people will say that archers are strong, but they are not... all classes are better represented within the game than archers and mechanics... The numbers are proof of what I say.

 

+10% attack power

Fix Solar Arrow, as it's a slow skill that deals the same damage as Phoenix (there's no point in using it).

Increase the stumping speed, as the animation is so long that she dies stunned.

Remove the penalty when using a shield.

 

 

Making the archer competitive is not difficult, the problem has been the amount that the doll misses, the archer should not miss more than 30% of the attempts, because she will die 90% of the times she is attacked, the math does not lie, today I need to attack 5 times to hit 2 times

 

 

I hope my opinion is respected and taken into consideration by the Staff, I just want a game where all classes have the same relevance, and unfortunately the class I know the most about is not playable at the moment.

 

All competitive players must agree to this, or I just invite you to give it a try.

 

 

Cyaa and Enjoy WarTale!!!

+1

as no longer good

[kenibok 1,100]

well, yes, atalanta is better than as in every aspect: more base speed (+ amazon), higher atk rating, more critical, more hp, more def/block, more hits/skills, basically same atk pow

 

but the truth is only archer has been nerfed, atalanta hasn't been buffed, not in atk not in speed, not at all, while archer has been nerfed till its pow/rating/speed/tank doesn't even compare to ata. Ata is better because archer has been nerfed to the core

Edited July 22 by kenibok

[lonelyarcher 53]

 

-1

 

archers do great dmg , can they kill as much as they used to in the past ? Of course not. But they are able to kill the same amount as other classes.. they can kill more than a bs because bs is slow , they can kill more than mgs,PRs, maybe a shaman and of course they kill more than ks.

people don’t pick archer because it’s not a comfortable character to play and the archer dies more than other classes and for many people who PvP here they hate to die , they take it very seriously in this game . But because she dies more doesn’t mean she’s useless .. the player just needs to play it smart. 

The archer is still one of the strongest classes to pick for PvP but their success depends on their alliances , their team strategy and their lvl relics items 
 

It’s also important to talk about the archer , if it’s a 15x archer decent items vs the high lvl 16x 17x of course these archers will struggle naturally.

 

if the archer 15x vs other classes 15x then the battle becomes fair and the archer will kill if she know how to play good .

 

in my personal opinion, i think the archer is ok for what the PvP system is today , maybe staff will re-balance everything and then things can change .. but for the way system is set up today i believe the archer is balanced and can perform well amongst all classeS

 

people say the class is dead , but not for the correct reasons . Today the archer requires critical thinking , when to go in and attack , when to run .. must stay behind tanks or melee it’s a team work PvP system we have here.. I think in the past people were so used to archer because it was such a good tank , they could stay in battle zone longer and today they struggle with the new archer play of hit and run .. die more .. make kills a little harder 

 

 

in past being a archer was so easy .. and for players who want to keep that style of play have other classes to play like ass ps ata she can stay in battle longer lower risk of being killed than archer . 
 

also important to mention , it depends on the situation . An archer who plays on a team who has more people vs the enemy that archer can play free and fun because the team is bigger if she stay back behind tanks she will have fun 

 

if other way around and archer have less people she can’t play it’s just the PvP system today.

 

but if we look at war mode , 2 phoenix shot can out a ps fast or other classes .. all she must do is stun hit kill the enemy 

 

point is the archer can kill , so when people make it seem like it’s a dead useless class I just think it’s unfair because we see the damage an archer can still out put today .

 

 

If I’m wrong than what’s the solution , perhaps increase att rating .. buff phoenix shot .. give the archer a hit kill skill like the ata split jav…. Give the archer more tanking abilities while keeping all her power .. what will be the consequences of any of these implementations..

 

 

My personal opinion I think we have good balance today , just ms need lots of help. 
 

 

Edited July 22 by lonelyarcher
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[YARDBR 168]

We must also remember that archers do not have a sustainable way to level up, no one accepts a static PT archer in LC or HC anymore, the doll has become obsolete in all game content, saying that a doll that is not used by anyone and for nothing is balanced, is at the very least not thinking about the best for the community.

 

 

 

 

 

[YARDBR 168]

7 hours ago, lonelyarcher said:

 

-1

 

archers do great dmg , can they kill as much as they used to in the past ? Of course not. But they are able to kill the same amount as other classes.. they can kill more than a bs because bs is slow , they can kill more than mgs,PRs, maybe a shaman and of course they kill more than ks.

people don’t pick archer because it’s not a comfortable character to play and the archer dies more than other classes and for many people who PvP here they hate to die , they take it very seriously in this game . But because she dies more doesn’t mean she’s useless .. the player just needs to play it smart. 

The archer is still one of the strongest classes to pick for PvP but their success depends on their alliances , their team strategy and their lvl relics items 
 

It’s also important to talk about the archer , if it’s a 15x archer decent items vs the high lvl 16x 17x of course these archers will struggle naturally.

 

if the archer 15x vs other classes 15x then the battle becomes fair and the archer will kill if she know how to play good .

 

in my personal opinion, i think the archer is ok for what the PvP system is today , maybe staff will re-balance everything and then things can change .. but for the way system is set up today i believe the archer is balanced and can perform well amongst all classeS

 

people say the class is dead , but not for the correct reasons . Today the archer requires critical thinking , when to go in and attack , when to run .. must stay behind tanks or melee it’s a team work PvP system we have here.. I think in the past people were so used to archer because it was such a good tank , they could stay in battle zone longer and today they struggle with the new archer play of hit and run .. die more .. make kills a little harder 

 

 

in past being a archer was so easy .. and for players who want to keep that style of play have other classes to play like ass ps ata she can stay in battle longer lower risk of being killed than archer . 
 

also important to mention , it depends on the situation . An archer who plays on a team who has more people vs the enemy that archer can play free and fun because the team is bigger if she stay back behind tanks she will have fun 

 

if other way around and archer have less people she can’t play it’s just the PvP system today.

 

but if we look at war mode , 2 phoenix shot can out a ps fast or other classes .. all she must do is stun hit kill the enemy 

 

point is the archer can kill , so when people make it seem like it’s a dead useless class I just think it’s unfair because we see the damage an archer can still out put today .

 

 

If I’m wrong than what’s the solution , perhaps increase att rating .. buff phoenix shot .. give the archer a hit kill skill like the ata split jav…. Give the archer more tanking abilities while keeping all her power .. what will be the consequences of any of these implementations..

 

 

My personal opinion I think we have good balance today , just ms need lots of help. 
 

 

Don't you agree that if she dies more she should kill more??? It's fair to take into consideration how easy it is to kill an archer.

No one who is talking here plays at 15x, and no one will agree that archer with relics is stronger than FS, BS, KS, ATA, SHAMAN, PRIST OR MAGE, maybe it is better than ps and mech, other than that it is MATHEMATICALLY WORSE, the numbers prove it

I bet you that if you play archer against another class of the same level, your destiny is to LOSE

I bet you that if you play archer against another class of the same level, your destiny is to LOSE

If you think playing as an archer is possible, it's because you've never played with him in BC, any 15x PS kills a 17x archer with just one hit, IT DOESN'T SEEMS FAIR TO ME...

If you think playing as an archer is possible, it's because you've never played with him in BC, any 15x PS kills a 17x archer with just one hit, IT DOESN'T SEEMS FAIR TO ME...

 

If you think playing as an archer is possible, it's because you've never played with him in BC, any 15x PS kills a 17x archer with just one hit, IT DOESN'T SEEMS FAIR TO ME...

 

 

 

[nameless10 222]

Bs need buff

Archer need nerf