DarkLink64 921 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 How can you assume that i didn't pay for something? Can you show any evidence? Look at the Donation List, there is so many things that i can buy and i've already bought. If i didn't payed a Exp Service, so, following your logic, it means that i didn't payed nothing for the server? What a nice point of view! That's why you were arguing that no EXP Service = no money for Server / Wartale. What's up now? I think we need to change your words: "People who are against EXP Service, doesn't pay anything FOR ME, and indeed more Selfish than others, which pays for the server INSTEAD FOR ME" lolz and you are too.. you have your way.. and they have them way.. you are selfish too.. Oh, trully? Are you being serious? I can't see a BS from ME being selfish. All i'm arguing is to free the SPAWNS off exp servicers campers and leechers, that take away the opportunity to other people play and level up. Freeing the BS of EXP SERVICE and LEECHING, more people will have more spawn to level up, to party, to play the fruiting game. If you can prove: making a spawn for 6 active people is selfish from my part, instead of making a spawn for 1 active people and 5 others that doesnt do a bullshit, then you can talk with me. Get things straight before posting bs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zero 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 here is the subjective guy, base his own opinion on nothing At least I have facts, hey if someone "bother" to freaking do the poll, I got the facts. @Zero What is self confirming bias? Confirmation bias you mean? By the way, all the words you said is your "sole" confirmation bias, believing what you said to everyone here on forum is true regardless if your information "even" correct, talking about statistics, go back to your University books, and try harder coming something different, because to me, you just as bias as anyone else, but what's more, you add your subjective answers which entertains us @Zero, If forum poll is really such a "flaw" as you mean, even a gabbage poll isn't going your way, your should revise you argument 8) Because you got nothing to back you up, just "subjective" answers -A self-confirming bias is exactly how I said it was. You make a deduction on your own and without any real evidence, assume its true and that everybody else has come to the same conclusion [even though you haven't asked them for their thoughts]. A perfect example is odoaker, believing sandurr completely agrees with his point of view when he hasn't asked him and sandurr has made no mention supporting either his view or mine. Aka, he has confirmed this himself [hence "self-confirming"] without actually asking to obtain solid evidence of his hypothesis. -Well, I figured you'd ask me to explain this even though it's wasted effort. A voluntary poll is incredibly bias, because it tends to only solicits people with very strong feelings about the subject. In all likelihood, people who have invested a great deal of money into a service will probably feel very strongly about it, hence why exp service users are especially compelled to come vote here over non-users. This is also the internet, I could just as easily rig the vote with fake accounts to spam more votes and other such methods to favor my own argument. On top of that, only a minority of users post, use, and actively voice their opinion on the forum. We represent only a small portion of the population, and leaving a vast majority unspoken for, you can't assume what the other users will say or how they will feel. I could go on with other factors, there are just so many that make voluntary polls terrible to use. An example is below. An example of how voluntary polls horribly skew perception was an example I was given in a statistics course. While I'm not going to bother to fetch the exact numbers, a radio host or something of the sort asked parents to call in and answer whether or not they regretted having their children. This voluntarily poll was incredibly bias, because it only appealed to people who would listen to her point of view, and only those with strong emotions [the parents who hated their kids], and they would call in. The result was announced that a majority of parents regretted having their kids. Statisticians were skeptical, so when they employed proper analytical methods using RANDOM participants, they found quite the opposite and that a majority of parents actually did not regret having their children. This was the very general result, I won't dig up specifics for now. Learning about why voluntary polls are horrible, and basically worthless as evidence is something they would probably teach you in the first week or two of any statistics course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quant 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 Just remembered, I said even a gabbage poll provides facts than your subjectivity 8) I wonder why you always don't focus properly the words :-[ Also, I have no intention of reading your statistical jargons, I learn that in STATS101, want revision? No thanks, going ignore those sentences, I won't bother to read it here is the subjective guy, base his own opinion on nothing At least I have facts, hey if someone "bother" to freaking do the poll, I got the facts. @Zero What is self confirming bias? Confirmation bias you mean? By the way, all the words you said is your "sole" confirmation bias, believing what you said to everyone here on forum is true regardless if your information "even" correct, talking about statistics, go back to your University books, and try harder coming something different, because to me, you just as bias as anyone else, but what's more, you add your subjective answers which entertains us @Zero, If forum poll is really such a "flaw" as you mean, even a gabbage poll isn't going your way, your should revise you argument 8) Because you got nothing to back you up, just "subjective" answers -A self-confirming bias is exactly how I said it was. You make a deduction on your own and without any real evidence, assume its true and that everybody else has come to the same conclusion [even though you haven't asked them for their thoughts]. A perfect example is odoaker, believing sandurr completely agrees with his point of view when he hasn't asked him and sandurr has made no mention supporting either his view or mine. Aka, he has confirmed this himself [hence "self-confirming"] without actually asking to obtain solid evidence of his hypothesis. -Well, I figured you'd ask me to explain this even though it's wasted effort. A voluntary poll is incredibly bias, because it tends to only solicits people with very strong feelings about the subject. In all likelihood, people who have invested a great deal of money into a service will probably feel very strongly about it, hence why exp service users are especially compelled to come vote here over non-users. This is also the internet, I could just as easily rig the vote with fake accounts to spam more votes and other such methods to favor my own argument. On top of that, only a minority of users post, use, and actively voice their opinion on the forum. We represent only a small portion of the population, and leaving a vast majority unspoken for, you can't assume what the other users will say or how they will feel. I could go on with other factors, there are just so many that make voluntary polls terrible to use. An example is below. An example of how voluntary polls horribly skew perception was an example I was given in a statistics course. While I'm not going to bother to fetch the exact numbers, a radio host or something of the sort asked parents to call in and answer whether or not they regretted having their children. This voluntarily poll was incredibly bias, because it only appealed to people who would listen to her point of view, and only those with strong emotions [the parents who hated their kids], and they would call in. The result was announced that a majority of parents regretted having their kids. Statisticians were skeptical, so when they employed proper analytical methods using RANDOM participants, they found quite the opposite and that a majority of parents actually did not regret having their children. This was the very general result, I won't dig up specifics for now. Learning about why voluntary polls are horrible, and basically worthless as evidence is something they would probably teach you in the first week or two of any statistics course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zero 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 Just remembered, I said even a gabbage poll provides facts than you subjectivity 8) I wonder why you always don't focus properly the words :-[ I don't know what you mean, searching both google and wikipedia, nothing by that name comes up. Explain the process. Also a very ironic statement, coming from someone who often quotes me and doesn't bother to look at even half my comments. Edit: Why would you ignore those sentences, jargon is a term for the specific language/lingo of a subject or however you want to phrase it. It should only be threatening to you if you don't know the subject [such as how I don't know law so lawyer talk would confuse me]. If you have taken stats as you say, than "Stat jargon" shouldn't be a problem for you at all since you're comfortable with the subject. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quant 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 I think majority people won't even read your comments Too bad no one appreciate your long structural sentence you trying to express/impress me, lol, FAILED Just remembered, I said even a gabbage poll provides facts than you subjectivity 8) I wonder why you always don't focus properly the words :-[ I don't know what you mean, searching both google and wikipedia, nothing by that name comes up. Explain the process. Also a very ironic statement, coming from someone who often quotes me and doesn't bother to look at even half my comments. Edit: Why would you ignore those sentences, jargon is a term for the specific language/lingo of a subject or however you want to phrase it. It should only be threatening to you if you don't know the subject [such as how I don't know law so lawyer talk would confuse me]. If you have taken stats as you say, than "Stat jargon" shouldn't be a problem for you at all since you're comfortable with the subject. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zero 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 I think majority people won't even read your comments Too bad no one appreciate your long structural sentence you trying to express/impress me, lol, FAILED I don't expect them to for either of us, if you notice there is about 4 people actually consistently posting in this thread. Don't think they care about reading 9 pages of argument, but never know. Insulting and dismissing your opponent's point of view for no reason =/= solid argument. If insulting is all your left with now as it seems to have been for the vast portion of your latest posts, it seems I have gotten all across all I can and my work here is done for the time being until something else changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcse1989 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 I think majority people won't even read your comments Too bad no one appreciate your long structural sentence you trying to express/impress me, lol, FAILED I don't expect them to for either of us, if you notice there is about 4 people actually consistently posting in this thread. Don't think they care about reading 9 pages of argument, but never know. Insulting and dismissing your opponent's point of view for no reason =/= solid argument. If insulting is all your left with now as it seems to have been for the vast portion of your latest posts, it seems I have gotten all across all I can and my work here is done for the time being until something else changes. many comment like a battle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GaTieuThu 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 I think majority people won't even read your comments Too bad no one appreciate your long structural sentence you trying to express/impress me, lol, FAILED I don't expect them to for either of us, if you notice there is about 4 people actually consistently posting in this thread. Don't think they care about reading 9 pages of argument, but never know. Insulting and dismissing your opponent's point of view for no reason =/= solid argument. If insulting is all your left with now as it seems to have been for the vast portion of your latest posts, it seems I have gotten all across all I can and my work here is done for the time being until something else changes. many comment like a battle And You have started this battle muheheh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcse1989 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 I think majority people won't even read your comments Too bad no one appreciate your long structural sentence you trying to express/impress me, lol, FAILED I don't expect them to for either of us, if you notice there is about 4 people actually consistently posting in this thread. Don't think they care about reading 9 pages of argument, but never know. Insulting and dismissing your opponent's point of view for no reason =/= solid argument. If insulting is all your left with now as it seems to have been for the vast portion of your latest posts, it seems I have gotten all across all I can and my work here is done for the time being until something else changes. many comment like a battle And You have started this battle muheheh can i remove it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-BLiiND- 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 the main problem with exp service its just they are ruining the essence of partying by taking all spawns at ad2-3 which makes the server the only exp are you can get is only ad1 coz they RARELY go there unless they have exp service below 124,, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 The problem, like people said isn't the exp service itself, but all good spawns has been taken by expers. People who doesn't pay for exper have to lvling very slowly sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-BLiiND- 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 The problem, like people said isn't the exp service itself, but all good spawns has been taken by expers. People who doesn't pay for exper have to lvling very slowly sometimes. and that connects that exp service in this server is making that to happen if they can make solutions over the exp service taking all spawns. then remove service and promote partying.. thats WAS pt USED to be till exp service comes it has not been that much issue before coz they only get ft2 which there is less people to exp there compared to ad places.. but now after the prs OP skill they tend to stay there as much as possble. and they think they dont get the peoples money while without noticing they area already did.. some donators are not buying exp service coz they wana exp there char but since they cant exp at ad2 and up they forcely need to buy those exp service and remove some enjoyment on makign parties.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-assKICKER- 1 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 The problem, like people said isn't the exp service itself, but all good spawns has been taken by expers. People who doesn't pay for exper have to lvling very slowly sometimes. and that connects that exp service in this server is making that to happen if they can make solutions over the exp service taking all spawns. then remove service and promote partying.. thats WAS pt USED to be till exp service comes it has not been that much issue before coz they only get ft2 which there is less people to exp there compared to ad places.. but now after the prs OP skill they tend to stay there as much as possble. and they think they dont get the peoples money while without noticing they area already did.. some donators are not buying exp service coz they wana exp there char but since they cant exp at ad2 and up they forcely need to buy those exp service and remove some enjoyment on makign parties.. i never enjoyed XPING, grinding mobs all day long, it's never fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
srekcusybdetum 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 So give everyone free levels Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-BLiiND- 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 exp serive also gives bad impression for people who are first time on this server.. coz at start they will have fun lvling to 124 coz lots of party but after awhile when happy to be with new exp map. exp service welcomes you and say hi helo welcome to ad2 and go the hell back to ad1 no room for ad2.. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLink64 921 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 i never enjoyed XPING, grinding mobs all day long, it's never fun. There are many PvP/Hunt servers out there. Have a nice day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-assKICKER- 1 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 i never enjoyed XPING, grinding mobs all day long, it's never fun. There are many PvP/Hunt servers out there. Have a nice day. that's why im here, anyways RPT is not only XPING right? now can i stay here boss? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLink64 921 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 i never enjoyed XPING, grinding mobs all day long, it's never fun. There are many PvP/Hunt servers out there. Have a nice day. that's why im here, anyways RPT is not only XPING right? now can i stay here boss? If you don't care about EXPING, then, you don't have anything to do or add here. Farewell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odoaker 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 lawl He can post what he want, when ever he want here ( as long as it is within the terms of agreement ) So dont come here with your farewell and goodbye bs.... Stop crying over you not being able to find a spawn, there are enough spawns to train on, just not the HS, so you cry..... Maybe you shuld go to a hunt/pvp server? No problems with xp /xp service there then Send me a postcard when ur there, will ya? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
srekcusybdetum 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 lawl He can post what he want, when ever he want here ( as long as it is within the terms of agreement ) So dont come here with your farewell and goodbye bs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randyhuynh 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 I say they are allow because you cant tell people how to play the fruiting game. If they want to leech or exp service then its up to them and the exper. On the other hand, if you cant exp then its not his fault, they got spawn first and they have no life. PT is not the only game like this, there are plenty of games that have exp service. At the end of the day, you cant tell people what they can and cant not do unless they are hacking/cheating. And about 5 hour per day, come to america or other non-communist countries, you can play all day. My mom moved to america about 20 year ago. We are also from South Vietnam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLink64 921 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 Can't wait for AFK System to be released. The bullshit storm will be priceless here. I'm counting on you Wartale ^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommylizard 1 Report post Posted December 1, 2011 Imo, the 'if you want money, go get a job' argument is invalid. Do you guys know vietnam? afaik the minimum salary there is equivalent to 50 dollars, dude. Plus, most of them arent adults or went to college to be able to get a decent job there. How much money do you think they make here, playing? It's not their fault you can't exp in a HS, think about it. Even if exp service gets banished, there will be still be people playing 24/7, so no spawns for you either. It's up to the staff if those maps need more hellspawns or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-assKICKER- 1 Report post Posted December 2, 2011 i never enjoyed XPING, grinding mobs all day long, it's never fun. There are many PvP/Hunt servers out there. Have a nice day. that's why im here, anyways RPT is not only XPING right? now can i stay here boss? If you don't care about EXPING, then, you don't have anything to do or add here. Farewell. that's the point here boss, i don't care about xping then XP SERVICE is in the house, owwww , i love hunting, i'll make golds and coins by that and put my char to xp service LEGAL? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demeron 18 Report post Posted December 2, 2011 so much nerd rageing in this threat lol makes me laugh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites