DEFINETIVE BALANCE FOR ARCHER

[unidade 1]

Reading the topics of balancing, and playing with one, comes to me the idea of Stages of Grounding. It's simple and i can explain: the more the archer stays grounding shooting avalanche, bomb shot and others, maybe all of then, more higher goes the multiplier. See, hitting 1 shot is the grounding starter, nothing different happens, BUT, it starts a counter of stages where: 1st stage (flat damage); 2nd stage (e.g. +25% damage), 3rd stage (e.g. +45%), and it goes on. The main idea is to reward significantly archers that find really good spots, and give others classes a chance to reach archers in the battlefield. It would solve a lot of problems for everybody. It would be very nice on hunting too, but the main problem is the PvP, isn't it? Hope it helps.

It's is very important to emphasize that skills cannot ground the character anymore, hitting 2 or 3 shots consecutively, it is for THE PLAYER the job to define how many shots are enough from the position he is, its his loss to move, or not... it could increase a lot for the gameplay of archer, who knows if a dash or some kind of directional leap can be added by the end of animation after 5 or more grounded shots. That are so many aspects to add, but...

I will leave another situational occasions and mechanics for you guys to think. Ty

[kenibok 1,140]

Imo yes the main problem is PvP, but PvE is not great, though there's still changes to test. Its not easy to balance as

Escalating damage is a great idea and it has been proposed in the past, also to be able to cancel avalanche, the seems a bit too comfortable but at the same time its death sentence to use it as it is now.

A quick fix from my perspective is to just increase overall power by around 5% or just phoenix shot in 6 to 10%,

Current charged phoenix shot doesn't make much sense since it can not crit or double hit as it used to, even though loading speed is faster than other charged skills, as doesn't have the resistance (dodge/force belt), so just as avalanche its a death sentence.

Also attack speed doesn't work on phoenix shot, animation speed does (shaman's / food)

I believe as needs a double+ hit skill, repurposing solar, leapshot, elemental, whatever, is also another possibility, as only has separate hit skills

 

PvE wise its ok, just boring, could be a lot more dynamic. Also its AoE should be a lot better but only works with a tank, just check SoD ranking have archers 16-17x scoring 25kk. Increasing perfo critical, Arrow of rage area/speed, elemental shot somehow useful, stun with longer slow duration (pveeeee)

 

Balancing As is not easy, currently As is apparently being balanced from pure build comparison, which isn't fair or logical comparing to any other class but specially atalanta.

I've also suggested to slightly change its stats formula for strength/level to add damage (like atalanta) and/or hp points

[TigerShark22 553]

20 hours ago, unidade said:

Reading the topics of balancing, and playing with one, comes to me the idea of Stages of Grounding. It's simple and i can explain: the more the archer stays grounding shooting avalanche, bomb shot and others, maybe all of then, more higher goes the multiplier. See, hitting 1 shot is the grounding starter, nothing different happens, BUT, it starts a counter of stages where: 1st stage (flat damage); 2nd stage (e.g. +25% damage), 3rd stage (e.g. +45%), and it goes on. The main idea is to reward significantly archers that find really good spots, and give others classes a chance to reach archers in the battlefield. It would solve a lot of problems for everybody. It would be very nice on hunting too, but the main problem is the PvP, isn't it? Hope it helps.

It's is very important to emphasize that skills cannot ground the character anymore, hitting 2 or 3 shots consecutively, it is for THE PLAYER the job to define how many shots are enough from the position he is, its his loss to move, or not... it could increase a lot for the gameplay of archer, who knows if a dash or some kind of directional leap can be added by the end of animation after 5 or more grounded shots. That are so many aspects to add, but...

I will leave another situational occasions and mechanics for you guys to think. Ty

AS is more than strong enough. It’s ATA which is OP.  It’s also balanced with different build for different cases 5 HP+ agi for 1v1, Agi+ str for armor+ some points in HP of ur choice for team fights). 
 

AS atm is superior to melees. 

8 hours ago, kenibok said:

Imo yes the main problem is PvP, but PvE is not great, though there's still changes to test. Its not easy to balance as

Escalating damage is a great idea and it has been proposed in the past, also to be able to cancel avalanche, the seems a bit too comfortable but at the same time its death sentence to use it as it is now.

A quick fix from my perspective is to just increase overall power by around 5% or just phoenix shot in 6 to 10%,

Current charged phoenix shot doesn't make much sense since it can not crit or double hit as it used to, even though loading speed is faster than other charged skills, as doesn't have the resistance (dodge/force belt), so just as avalanche its a death sentence.

Also attack speed doesn't work on phoenix shot, animation speed does (shaman's / food)

I believe as needs a double+ hit skill, repurposing solar, leapshot, elemental, whatever, is also another possibility, as only has separate hit skills

 

PvE wise its ok, just boring, could be a lot more dynamic. Also its AoE should be a lot better but only works with a tank, just check SoD ranking have archers 16-17x scoring 25kk. Increasing perfo critical, Arrow of rage area/speed, elemental shot somehow useful, stun with longer slow duration (pveeeee)

 

Balancing As is not easy, currently As is apparently being balanced from pure build comparison, which isn't fair or logical comparing to any other class but specially atalanta.

I've also suggested to slightly change its stats formula for strength/level to add damage (like atalanta) and/or hp points

You said it yourself. AS is balanced with the right build. Also, increase PS’s dmg by 5%? You wanna spam hit kill shots on low HP classses or what? 🫣

[nameless10 228]

1 hour ago, TigerShark22 said:

AS is more than strong enough. It’s ATA which is OP.  It’s also balanced with different build for different cases 5 HP+ agi for 1v1, Agi+ str for armor+ some points in HP of ur choice for team fights). 
 

AS atm is superior to melees. 

You said it yourself. AS is balanced with the right build. Also, increase PS’s dmg by 5%? You wanna spam hit kill shots on low HP classses or what? 🫣

Why you come up with statement of PS increase damage by 5%? I didn't see where he mentioned that PS increase 5% whatever. From this, i think you don't have good english comprehension. What a clown. Everything you say here is non sense.

[kenibok 1,140]

thanks whatever,

 

let’s keep the topic on its theme

 

I also believe as could benefit with some sort of piercing/stopping dmg for pve* aoe, damage that keeps the monster on this “damage animation” or smh, basically as just doesnt tank enough to receive even a portion of the dmg in pve

[TigerShark22 553]

3 hours ago, nameless10 said:

Why you come up with statement of PS increase damage by 5%? I didn't see where he mentioned that PS increase 5% whatever. From this, i think you don't have good english comprehension. What a clown. Everything you say here is non sense.

You are an absolute clown, nobody even knows you, and you keep hiding behind ur fake name.

 

PS's buff isn't problematic cause it doesn't make him OP. Buff in CS doesn't change much for him, even balances him out more. To AS it makes her broken, Proof: every single Halloween, same complaint about HLW hat. You are really a clown. Hope you get a life. 

[lonelyarcher 113]

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as is super strong and can tank well . Mainly it’s the lower level archers no relics no good items low lvl who struggle . Build your archer up obtain good relics good items good lvl and you’ll see what an archer is capable of ! 
 

people need to stop complaining that archer is bad it’s just not true . 
 

 

 

phoenix shot absolutely does not need a boost in damage 2-3 phoenix shots I can take out a ks and I do that frequently .. 

 

 

most archer posts I see these days are not even from people who are actively playing archer .. or it’s archers who are 15x..  low 16x low relics who are complaining. 
 

if ur archer has Draxos relic cent relic tulla and greedy you will see the power .. 

 

 

invest in your char don’t beg staff to buff a class when you don’t have your char fully built 

[kenibok 1,140]

xd, they think they know the char you play and how you're built, strawman fallacy and ad hominem, you people don't grow a thing over the years

 

Anyways, another idea which has been proposed too is fixing / reworking Falcon/Golden Falcon for its dmg to be consistent either working its attack interval or damage based on skills final dmg rather than atk pow base

I have a video comparing with GoldenFalcon 10 vs without it and DPS really doesn't have any impact sadly

 

[luisfillipi1 43]

1 hour ago, lonelyarcher said:

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Pois é super forte e pode tankar bem. Principalmente são os arqueiros de nível baixo, sem relíquias, sem bons itens e níveis baixos que têm dificuldade. Construa seu arqueiro, consiga boas relíquias, bons itens, bom nível e você vai ver do que um arqueiro é capaz!
 

As pessoas precisam parar de reclamar que o Arqueiro é ruim, isso simplesmente não é verdade.
 

 

 

O disparo da fênix definitivamente não precisa de aumento de dano, 2-3 tiros da fênix eu posso derrubar um ks e faço isso com frequência...

 

 

a maioria dos posts sobre arqueiros que vejo hoje em dia nem são de pessoas que estão jogando de arqueiro ativamente... Ou são arqueiros que são 15 vezes... Baixo 16x relíquias baixas que estão reclamando.
 

Se seu arqueiro tem relíquia de Draxos, centavo relíquia, tulla e guloso, você verá o poder...

 

 

Invista no seu personagem. Não implore para o cajado fortalecer uma classe quando você não tiver seu personagem totalmente construído

 

 

✞Alita✞

169

12/12

Cent Brac

Complaining about the archer's inferiority.

 

oUAEo

175

12/12

Cent Branc, Upp Gaunt

 

Complaining about the archer's inferiority.

 

Tito1

166

Drax, Tulla, Greedy

 

Complaining about the archer's inferiority.

 

Slytherin

170

11/12

Cent Brac

Complaining about the archer's inferiority.

 

If you have a character better than the ones listed, please change classes and teach us. It seems you know the class playe well, even though you're not an archer.

[nameless10 228]

2 hours ago, TigerShark22 said:

You are an absolute clown, nobody even knows you, and you keep hiding behind ur fake name.

 

PS's buff isn't problematic cause it doesn't make him OP. Buff in CS doesn't change much for him, even balances him out more. To AS it makes her broken, Proof: every single Halloween, same complaint about HLW hat. You are really a clown. Hope you get a life. 

Idiot, how you put on topic about pikeman while kenibok states only about archer? What you smoke? Sh1+?

 

[TigerShark22 553]

1 hour ago, nameless10 said:

Idiot, how you put on topic about pikeman while kenibok states only about archer? What you smoke? Sh1+?

 

Reread Kenibok's first comment about Phoenix shot  buff clown.

 

I added pike so u will understand some chars need a buff. AS doesn't.

Edited 11 hours ago by TigerShark22

[nameless10 228]

55 minutes ago, TigerShark22 said:

Reread Kenibok's first comment about Phoenix shot  buff clown.

 

I added pike so u will understand some chars need a buff. AS doesn't.

Go post other topic about pike, this thread is about archer's concern idiot. See title? Its on caps. Out of topic, nonsense, u don't even come siege war yet you talk so much here in forum. Blah blah blah yet all are nonsense