New rule has to be made

[Intensify 0]

Hackers need to be perm banned just like macro/bot users

 

 

Not fair.

 

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[Mercury 0]

Did you by any chance even read the rules?

 

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Maximum Punishment: Permanent Ban

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[Gogg 3]

But there's a minimun punishment aswell, I think he mean permanent ban in all cases

[dohkito 0]

  On 12/15/2010 at 4:20 AM, Gogg said:

But there's a minimun punishment aswell, I think he mean permanent ban in all cases

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i agree...i'm angry with these fuc* hackes mutherf**** !!

 

yesterday i saw a pris viet that up toguether sometimes...

 

and this pris viet was lv116 whem i was 119, now i'm 120 and she is 122 !

 

OMG damn... ppl using hack a lot here and nothing happens...

[Gogg 3]

Sure, ban people who got nothing with that (Y)

[starmagic 0]

If you all just keep waiting and do nothing and wish the rules will be change by itself or hoping someday GMs will do it.

You all deserved to playing with cheaters because you accepted it without any argument in the first place.

[arthur~ 7]

yeah it should be aplied...

 

[Guest TFSE]

To me, botting and auto is not as bad as hacking.

 

This is why I think it's strange that while botting is an automatic perm ban, hacking has a minimum punishment.

 

This is also why I found it strange that there was so much whining about botting and changing the rules (because of a few players that reached a high level) and nothing was said about hacking.

 

Well I guess this is the time to complain now isn't it?

[Toppe 0]

We understand your point, but it also depends on what kind of hacking.

Say someone trying to use a tool for 5 min and gain infite hp for 5 min before server auto ban him.

Compare that with someone who did use auto from lvl 100-105, which harms the server the most?

IMO the auto player. Heavy hacking already ends up with IP ban.

 

 

@topic starter

Quite funny to see a guy that used an auto level tool himself post under another name

[starmagic 0]

Hack is hack,cheating is cheating no matter 5 mins or 5 days.

However I do not blame GM for weaken rules anymore,I blame the community for their disregard toward to the problem in the first place,those people will not demand or fight for anything.

They simply complain and await someone make it happen or waiting something to happen.

 

No matter what GMs do they can live with it.They might complain but they will never fight for it.

[Gogg 3]

This is not a country, people don't do stuff, they suggest, they complain and they wait

[starmagic 0]

Yes thats right.

 

Thats why we waiting for tier5 mech fix and stuff keep waiting and waiting until our dear GM do it.

[Gogg 3]

Well, yeah. Decisions are not up to us. That's why we suggest stuff

[Toppe 0]

  On 12/16/2010 at 2:10 PM, starmagic said:

Hack is hack,cheating is cheating no matter 5 mins or 5 days.

However I do not blame GM for weaken rules anymore,I blame the community for their disregard toward to the problem in the first place,those people will not demand or fight for anything.

They simply complain and await someone make it happen or waiting something to happen.

 

No matter what GMs do they can live with it.They might complain but they will never fight for it.

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Sure cheat is cheat I agree on that. But I also think that there can be different punishments for different cheats. Our interest is of course to keep the majority of players comfortable with the rules on restrictions ingame and on forums.

 

If everyone would be insta banned even for light cheating our job would be a lot easier. Still we believe that many of those who use light cheat will never do it again if they get a short ban. Sure there are exceptions, some people never learn but we rather give them a chance to play normal and become good players than just block them from the game. I think everyone benefit from a bigger community, the market, the server income, party playing, pvping etc etc

[starmagic 0]

We discussed on that already in another thread I'll not repeat it again since its not the subject I try to say.

 

I just want to point out that the community deserved what they suffering now since all they did just complain waiting and keep waiting for miracle to happen.

Since they dont fight for what they want then they should playing with cheaters forever.

[lummel 0]

  On 12/16/2010 at 4:03 PM, ContasAndItens said:

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Hack is hack,cheating is cheating no matter 5 mins or 5 days.

However I do not blame GM for weaken rules anymore,I blame the community for their disregard toward to the problem in the first place,those people will not demand or fight for anything.

They simply complain and await someone make it happen or waiting something to happen.

 

No matter what GMs do they can live with it.They might complain but they will never fight for it.

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Sure cheat is cheat I agree on that. But I also think that there can be different punishments for different cheats. Our interest is of course to keep the majority of players comfortable with the rules on restrictions ingame and on forums.

 

If everyone would be insta banned even for light cheating our job would be a lot easier. Still we believe that many of those who use light cheat will never do it again if they get a short ban. Sure there are exceptions, some people never learn but we rather give them a chance to play normal and become good players than just block them from the game. I think everyone benefit from a bigger community, the market, the server income, party playing, pvping etc etc

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I think being able to make a new account is their second chance, just like with macro. If they dont benefit that much from some small cheat, then they are just stupid to try/use it when there's perm ban on it.

[lummel 0]

  On 12/16/2010 at 4:42 PM, starmagic said:

We discussed on that already in another thread I'll not repeat it again since its not the subject I try to say.

 

I just want to point out that the community deserved what they suffering now since all they did just complain waiting and keep waiting for miracle to happen.

Since they dont fight for what they want then they should playing with cheaters forever.

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So you should too?

 

Didnt see you starting some kind of campaign

[starmagic 0]

Maybe you never check forum before ?

http://www.realmpt.com/forum/index.php?topic=14416.0

 

Goodluck but I'm done with it here.

[Toppe 0]

Starmagic why such negative attitude?

It doesn't help to be negative. I think we have proved that we listen to the community and I don't think we deserve whatever you are trying to say with that.

[starmagic 0]

I'm not being negative I'm being so sincere right now.

 

After almost a month of discussing of that thread everything end up as its up to GMs that want to do it or not?

How's that GM listens to community ?

 

Do you still remember this ?

 

Yes the rules need to be change (No mercy for hackers, botters, scammers Heavy punishment for lighter cheats)

 

and this ?

 

First thing this is what people want

Yes the rules need to be change (No mercy for hackers, botters, scammers Heavy punishment for lighter cheats)

 

Second more clear by punish by rules not by staff

For example like this

Kill Stealing (KS)

KSing once or twice will not be punished, if you however KS another player continuously it is not tolerated

 

1st time punishment : 3-Day Ban

2rd time punishment : 5-Day Ban

3rd time punishment : 7-Day Ban

 

Third remove special note we enforce the rules to everyone equally no privilege.

 

 

[Toppe 0]

We did make the rules hard on auto/bot which I believe was the biggest problem. I told you many times we do read and analyze what you have said in that topic but you keep forgetting what I have replied.

 

Read this for example:

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We understand your point, but it also depends on what kind of hacking.

Say someone trying to use a tool for 5 min and gain infite hp for 5 min before server auto ban him.

Compare that with someone who did use auto from lvl 100-105, which harms the server the most?

IMO the auto player. Heavy hacking already ends up with IP ban.

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Third remove special note we enforce the rules to everyone equally no privilege.

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I think you misunderstand the purpose of that rule. It's not there to "save" friends to the staff/donaters or whatever.

It's there for us if theres anything special about that case what we know of that affects the punishment.

Just because we don't do exactly as you want it doesn't mean we don't listen to you.

We do what we think is best and what suits our policies.

 

[starmagic 0]

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We understand your point, but it also depends on what kind of hacking.

Say someone trying to use a tool for 5 min and gain infite hp for 5 min before server auto ban him.

Compare that with someone who did use auto from lvl 100-105, which harms the server the most?

IMO the auto player. Heavy hacking already ends up with IP ban.

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Okay lets start from this one

 

Say someone trying to use a auto level tool for 5 min and gain some exp for 5 min before server auto ban him.

Compare that with someone who did use hack from lvl 100-105, which harms the server the most?

 

Simple reverses logic.

 

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Third remove special note we enforce the rules to everyone equally no privilege.

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I think you misunderstand the purpose of that rule. It's not there to "save" friends to the staff/donaters or whatever.

It's there for us if theres anything special about that case what we know of that affects the punishment.

Just because we don't do exactly as you want it doesn't mean we don't listen to you.

We do what we think is best and what suits our policies.

 

 

Then make us believe it,only words isnt enough,how do you expected people to believe you since RedChill case ?

 

and like I said you can always add this

"Staff reserves the right to punish a player for any reason, not just those described here, if they see fit, however we do not use this as an exception for privilege not to be punish or lighter punishment, everyone playing under the same rules"

[Toppe 0]

  On 12/16/2010 at 7:35 PM, starmagic said:

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We understand your point, but it also depends on what kind of hacking.

Say someone trying to use a tool for 5 min and gain infite hp for 5 min before server auto ban him.

Compare that with someone who did use auto from lvl 100-105, which harms the server the most?

IMO the auto player. Heavy hacking already ends up with IP ban.

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Okay lets start from this one

 

Say someone trying to use a auto level tool for 5 min and gain some exp for 5 min before server auto ban him.

Compare that with someone who did use hack from lvl 100-105, which harms the server the most?

 

Simple reverses logic.

 

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Third remove special note we enforce the rules to everyone equally no privilege.

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I think you misunderstand the purpose of that rule. It's not there to "save" friends to the staff/donaters or whatever.

It's there for us if theres anything special about that case what we know of that affects the punishment.

Just because we don't do exactly as you want it doesn't mean we don't listen to you.

We do what we think is best and what suits our policies.

 

Then make us believe it,only words isnt enough and like I said you can always add this

"Staff reserves the right to punish a player for any reason, not just those described here, if they see fit, however we do not use this as an exception for privilege not to be punish or lighter punishment, everyone playing under the same rules"

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Regarding the auto thing:

I can tell you that a majority of botters have multiple chars online at the same time and most of them used auto since level 1. I know that since I do ban and check logs in all of them myself. If I find an auto user ingame it's almost every time someone who has connection to another account which used auto before.

 

@special super rule staff thing:

Give an example?

Why isn't my word good enough? It's not like I lied about anything before

This rule has never been used in an abusal or unfair way so I honestly think it's a bit silly to keep complaining on it.

 

[starmagic 0]

I didnt say that auto/botter should less punish than hack/cheating type I only said they both should be taken seriously.

I just show that your logic about auto harms more than hack is weak.

 

@special rule

I believe you still aware of redchill and nobusu (sorry I dont remember) cases for being imfamous as they're donors used marco/bot and dont recive any punishment.

Thats the point alot of people lost their faith of GMs included me too.

 

PS : since you pay attention to this thread I'll add that legalize account trading promotes auto/marco and I disagreed with it.

[Toppe 0]

  On 12/16/2010 at 7:54 PM, starmagic said:

I didnt say that auto/botter should less punish than hack/cheating type I only said they both should be taken seriously.

I just show that your logic about auto harms more than hack is weak.

 

@special rule

I believe you still aware of redchill and nobusu (sorry I dont remember) cases for being imfamous as they're donors used marco/bot and dont recive any punishment.

Thats the point alot of people lost their faith of GMs included me too.

 

PS : since you pay attention to this thread I'll add that legalize account trading promotes auto/marco and I disagreed with it.

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FYI nebolosu/redchili/nebuloso was de-leveled 130->125 (de-leveled just like other autoplayers before new rules applied)

We did not legalize account trading.